Why so hard on microsoft

[james636]

in another thread here - it was said that apple was in control of its hardware and OS and that was a good thing ...


in here - people are saying its a bad thing because MS wants to control THEIR software ....


the argument is that MS has 96% of the market and apple 2.5% ..


ok -=- what if apple had 85% of the pc market and windows - 10% ...


think about that before pre-judging MS for a monopoly ..

Although people had a chance to specify some MS flaws, I didn't recieve any real concrete and legitament flaws against MS.

Basically, the number one beef people have with MS is that it has monopolized the indusrty. Thats an obsurd beef.

If Apple or Linux had a chance to monopolize the industry, they wouldn't hesitate.

As for MS being an easy target for hackers, well if Apple or linux were in 90% of all huseholds that owned a pc, then they would also be under heavy attack.

From a Hackers point of view: Waste hours and hours trying to hack into a 10% base or a 90% base. You do the math.

[adam]

I don't have any particular gripe about Microsoft, now that the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) has stepped in, and I've never had anything but good things to say about Microsoft's operating systems and software in general.

But the whole monopoly gripe about Microsoft is definitely not absurd. A monopoly is not just when you have a disproportionate amount of the market share, its when you stifle competition. Microsoft was formally charged with tons of antitrust violations by the FTC, and was ruled a monopoly and divided into several smaller companies. This was not just because they sell way more operating systems than anyone else, its because they engaged in anticompetitive activity, like forcing oem manufacturers to include only MS software if the computer is going to be running windows. That's illegal. This is a valid reason to dislike Microsoft, but people take it to the extreme in my opinion and just generally attack Windows simply because it seems to be the hip thing to do.

I find alot of the MS bashing very hypocritical on this board. You see people in one thread commenting on the latest, greatest DVD copyprotection method, proclaiming that, "anything they come out with someone will find a way to break it...Whoo Hoo!, stupid industry" and then in another thread they bitch that Microsoft has security problems because people keep finding ways to create exploits.

Bottom line, when you are a huge company you make an even bigger target.

[james636]

I find alot of the MS bashing very hypocritical on this board. You see people in one thread commenting on the latest, greatest DVD copyprotection method, proclaiming that, "anything they come out with someone will find a way to break it...Whoo Hoo!, stupid industry" and then in another thread they bitch that Microsoft has security problems because people keep finding ways to create exploits.

Bottom line, when you are a huge company you make an even bigger target.

Basically, thats what I said.

As far as the monopoly goes, I'm not defending MS (from a consumer stand point) for Monopolizing, I'm only saying that the gripe that one would have with the monopoly that MS has would be same if Apple had the monopoly.

Basically, folks would complain no matter what.

[doppletwo]

I find alot of the MS bashing very hypocritical on this board. You see people in one thread commenting on the latest, greatest DVD copyprotection method, proclaiming that, "anything they come out with someone will find a way to break it...Whoo Hoo!, stupid industry" and then in another thread they bitch that Microsoft has security problems because people keep finding ways to create exploits.

Bottom line, when you are a huge company you make an even bigger target.

Basically, thats what I said.

As far as the monopoly goes, I'm not defending MS (from a consumer stand point) for Monopolizing, I'm only saying that the gripe that one would have with the monopoly that MS has would be same if Apple had the monopoly.

Basically, folks would complain no matter what.

If Apple had the monopoly it could or would be worse.

They would have a hardware and software monopoly.

[yoda313]

Hello,

The only problem I ever had with Microsoft was Windows 95 - While it was a VAST IMPROVEMENT over win3.1 it got pretty buggy. And the DOS implemenation was tricky....

98 was a great leap forward but was far from perfect.

2000 was by far the best I've used. Though so far I've had XP at home with my new computer since I bought last late NOVEMBER......

Microsoft is what it is. People complain about big companies. No way around it. I use it because it is what I've always used. It has the most compatiblity and ease of use so why get anything else??? MAC is too pricey and not customizeable enough. LINUX is something I don't want to take the time to learn for little or no return.

Kevin

[lordsmurf]

hehe heh he ... he said "hard on" ... huh huh hu

[northcat_8]

I don't really have a problem with Microsoft, if Bill can make the money then go for it. I would if it were me.

I just find some of the things they do absolutely halarious. For example, their anti-piracy and security attempts. They are freakin laughable. And what I think is most funny is that it is their own technology that enables other people to break their security attempts.

Just cruise around the web. There is a crack or serial for every single piece of software written. Even WindowsXP. They get mad about copying the software using your CD burner, but yet, they are the ones writing the software and drivers to support the burners and applications. and then they turn around and bitch about it.

It's kind of like getting shot with your own gun if you ask me. When in all honesty it would seem more logical to quit fighting the pirates and crack makers, and start hiring them

The RIAA is the same way. Hey, there wasn't any song copying going on when the music was still on Vinyl LPs were there? Noooo. But the music industry found out they could produce CDs at the cost of $.003 per disc and make money hand over fist, so they did. Now people can copy the CDs and RIAA is losing money. I find that halarious and it serves the greedy bastards right.

EDIT: I meant RIAA, sorry I was busy pirating DVDs at the time of spelling

[doppletwo]

The RIAA is actually still making records profits.

[yoda313]

Hello,

It's kind of like getting shot with your own gun if you ask me. When in all honesty it would seem more logical to quit fighting the pirates and crack makers, and start hiring them

I remember a SIMPSONS episode where HOMER learns about making money on the internet. He's reading a book about it and says "hey the have the internet on computer now!" So anyway somehow GATES was involved. I guess the plan was to make something that MICROSOFT would want to buy from him. Instead they have GATES come in with a gang and smash up his computer!

But yeah no problems with MICROSOFT from me really.....

Kevin

[doppletwo]

I saw bill the Gates one time.

He was walking down the street and Bill the Gates socked me.

Then I was like, "why'd you sock me Bill the Gates?"

And he was like, " Oh, I thought you was somebody else."

[ViRaL1]

Wasn't that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr?

[doppletwo]

No I never met Martin Luther the King.

[BJ_M]

i met Bill Gates in a restaurant in the lobby of a hotel in china ..

him and his entourage ... and me ... only ones in the place ..

i said hello and the handlers gave me a nasty look - but he said hello back and asked a few questions and generally looked bored ..

I wanted ask him about the street seller right outside the hotel selling windows for a $1 and it came with autocad on the same disk i recall .. but thought that might not go over so well ....

[BJ_M]

if you recall --a few years back .. china said they were going to develop their own OS ... which never really happened .. prob. cus i put him into a bad mood and he wrecked some meeting w/ them ..

[yoda313]

Hello,

I wanted ask him about the street seller right outside the hotel selling windows for a $1 and it came with autocad on the same disk i recall .. but thought that might not go over so well ....

Should have asked him how the Seattle Seahawks were doing --though you might have gotten the same reaction!

Kevin

[doppletwo]

Hello,

I wanted ask him about the street seller right outside the hotel selling windows for a $1 and it came with autocad on the same disk i recall .. but thought that might not go over so well ....

Should have asked him how the Seattle Seahawks were doing --though you might have gotten the same reaction!

Kevin

Paul Allen owns the Hanwks not Bill the Gates.

[yoda313]

Hello,

I wanted ask him about the street seller right outside the hotel selling windows for a $1 and it came with autocad on the same disk i recall .. but thought that might not go over so well ....

Should have asked him how the Seattle Seahawks were doing --though you might have gotten the same reaction!

Kevin

Paul Allen owns the Hanwks not Bill the Gates.

Hello,

(shakes head}

I meant as a resident of SEATTLE - not as the owner....

Just something to strike up a conversation you know......

Kevin

[doppletwo]

Bill Gates lives in Medina which is suburb of Bellevue which is a suburb of Seattle.

[BJ_M]

Bill Gates kinda lives in his own universe - and owns it ..


good for him ..








Over the past decade, Bill Gates has quietly bought up 11 properties, including nine houses, that surround his 5-acre Medina estate, creating a buffer zone that is increasingly turning a small hillside neighborhood into a private holding of the richest man on Earth.

[ChrisX]

Guys, what's the big deal about Microsoft being a bunch of crap? Am I missing something? Are you guys suggesting that it is the cause of a lot of pc problems? If not Microsoft, then what else?

Well the hom editions of Windows were very unstable until XP.

IE is a security risk.

Add the built in defragger sucks ass.

I can go on if you wish.

I reckon is what you do on the PC is an issue, having 3rd party software installed and visiting unknown 'not to trust' websites is another thing too.

Getting something downloaded for free is a risk and also getting porn is another to be wary.

You don't know what is getting into your PC?

All this can mess up your computer and as your own risk!

Microsoft can't keep up with all the new vulnerabilities in an instant either.

No wonder I got 9 patches on WinXP and 8 patches on Win2k last week.

I prefer to use Win2k or WinXP Pro and I no longer use the Home Edition of Windows.

Forget Win95, Win98 and WinME as not secure and no longer supported.

IE is a security risk and this maybe so.

Again, read above what I say about this or get a Firefox?

The browsers Firefox, Mozilla or Netscape are considered safer as they say so?

I'll be wary of using any browser and vulnerabilities can still be found on those browsers too.

Better still get yourself OS WinXP SP2 on security as Microsoft isn't going to upgrade its IE on earlier versions Windows.

Anyway, it is better having a firewall and AntiVirus in your PC than no protection.

Use webmail such as Hotmail or Yahoo as safer than using OE6 or MS Outlook too.

No guarantees there either?

I don't use defragmenter much, only once a year is normally enough on an NTFS file system.

Bill Gates is laughing all the way to the bank on Micro$oft's monopoly and their PC software.

He's got the nerve to expect a PC user to buy WinXP to get security too.

No wonder Bill Gates is very rich living in luxury at Seattle.

ChrisX

[zzyzzx]

on a personal computer level :

- forced upgrades / built-in incompatibility with previous versions of software

And hardware...

[mcbit]

I don't use defragmenter much, only once a year is normally enough on an NTFS file system.ChrisX

In your deams ChrisX! Below is my one of my NTFS discs 18 hrs after being "100% unfragmented"



If I didn't run defrag every night my system would grind to a halt

[northcat_8]

WTF do you do on your computer that it gets so fragmented so quickly?

I only run defrag once every blue moon, my NTFS drives never frag up like that

[northcat_8]

also you can save yourself a lot of defrag time by deleting temporary internet files, and old restore points (if you have system restore turned on, I don't).

Also cleaning out your TEMP directory and Prefetch directory manually will also save you defrag time.

These 4 places are where my HD will fragment most often...

[mcbit]

Northcat_8 3 computers, all the same but only on the OS drive!

I also dont have sytem restore turned as it uses too much disc space and if you cut the disk usage back it generally doesn't work

I don't think I do anything particulary unusual on my machines

Out of interest, who read this to you???

[northcat_8]

I just find it odd because I do a lot of photoshop, premiere, after effects, DVD making, ripping and backing up, surfing, bill paying, checkbook keeping, etc, etc. on my computer and the files mentioned are the only ones that are typically fragmented. I just found your fragmentation a bit excessive and that you defrag that often.

I can't read because I'm blind, I read the post in braile...bet you didn't know you were using a braile font did you?

[mcbit]

I can't read because I'm blind, I read the post in braile...bet you didn't know you were using a braile font did you?

I usally do as I'm a nice guy and also I find the Olfactory fonts a bit distasteful.

But basically I'm using the same progs as you + ACad and my Adobe scratchdisks are on another drive

[northcat_8]

Hmmm...that's odd then..I would think.

My setup is:

IDE channel 1
60 GB - OS drive
160 GB - finishing drive

IDE channel 2
DVD burner
120 GB - Editing drive.

My scratch disc and overflow volume is on the 120 GB drive. My page file is also on the 120 GB drive (3072 MB page file).

I also have all unnecessary processes shut down and all unnecessary components disabled.

I don't know why your drive frags like that, a bit odd I think.

[mcbit]

I've just beent to the (real) Pub and polled a bunch of my mates who use there PCs in a professional environment and none of them would go more than one week wwithout defragging. In general 2 to 3 times a week!

[northcat_8]

hmmm....so be it then. Mine doesn't need defragged that often.

Here's my OS drive, the last defrag was before Christmas.



and here is the list of files that are fragmented.

Volume MAIN DRIVE (C
Volume size = 55.90 GB
Cluster size = 512 bytes
Used space = 23.55 GB
Free space = 32.35 GB
Percent free space = 57 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 2 %
File fragmentation = 5 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 96,744
Average file size = 315 KB
Total fragmented files = 2,280
Total excess fragments = 139,291
Average fragments per file = 2.43

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 0 bytes
Total fragments = 0

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 6,914
Fragmented folders = 67
Excess folder fragments = 431

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 114 MB
MFT record count = 106,279
Percent MFT in use = 90 %
Total MFT fragments = 3

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Most fragmented files
452 4 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{1CF48179-0518-4F8A-808B-3FABB10F77DE}\RP20\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SYST EM
132 1 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{1CF48179-0518-4F8A-808B-3FABB10F77DE}\RP20\snapshot\Repository\FS\INDEX.BT R
512 4 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{1CF48179-0518-4F8A-808B-3FABB10F77DE}\RP20\snapshot\Repository\FS\OBJECTS. DATA
338 3 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{1CF48179-0518-4F8A-808B-3FABB10F77DE}\RP20\A0014184.RDB
8,649 142 MB \Program Files\Modem Spy\Administrator\2005-02-09 10-22-45.wav
212 2 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{1CF48179-0518-4F8A-808B-3FABB10F77DE}\RP31\snapshot\_REGISTRY_USER_NTUSER_ S-1-5-21-606747145-651377827-839522115-1004
459 4 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{1CF48179-0518-4F8A-808B-3FABB10F77DE}\RP31\snapshot\_REGISTRY_USER_NTUSER_ S-1-5-21-606747145-651377827-839522115-500
1,997 17 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{1CF48179-0518-4F8A-808B-3FABB10F77DE}\RP31\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFT WARE
452 4 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{1CF48179-0518-4F8A-808B-3FABB10F77DE}\RP31\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SYST EM
132 1 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{1CF48179-0518-4F8A-808B-3FABB10F77DE}\RP31\snapshot\Repository\FS\INDEX.BT R
512 4 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{1CF48179-0518-4F8A-808B-3FABB10F77DE}\RP31\snapshot\Repository\FS\OBJECTS. DATA
1,447 3 MB \Documents and Settings\Chelsea\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\BW9DX0TW\SetupDl[1].exe
1,110 2 MB \Documents and Settings\Chelsea\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\MOY8ZZ7E\INSTALL_MSN_MESSENGER_D L[2].EXE
188 296 KB \Documents and Settings\Chelsea\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\MOY8ZZ7E\au_all[1].cab
116 238 KB \Documents and Settings\Chelsea\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\AB672LW8\au_all[1].cab
178 181 KB \Documents and Settings\All Users.WINDOWS\Application Data\Grisoft\Avg7Data\upd7bin\u7avi452u443b1.bin
130 431 KB \Documents and Settings\Administrator.DCOHIO\Local Settings\Temp\~ef8995\~df394b.tmp
109 431 KB \Documents and Settings\Administrator.DCOHIO\Local Settings\Temp\~efac02\~df394b.tmp
133 1 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{1CF48179-0518-4F8A-808B-3FABB10F77DE}\RP21\snapshot\_REGISTRY_USER_NTUSER_ S-1-5-21-606747145-651377827-839522115-1003
216 2 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{1CF48179-0518-4F8A-808B-3FABB10F77DE}\RP21\snapshot\_REGISTRY_USER_NTUSER_ S-1-5-21-606747145-651377827-839522115-1004
454 4 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{1CF48179-0518-4F8A-808B-3FABB10F77DE}\RP21\snapshot\_REGISTRY_USER_NTUSER_ S-1-5-21-606747145-651377827-839522115-500
1,972 17 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{1CF48179-0518-4F8A-808B-3FABB10F77DE}\RP21\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFT WARE
452 4 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{1CF48179-0518-4F8A-808B-3FABB10F77DE}\RP21\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SYST EM
132 1 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{1CF48179-0518-4F8A-808B-3FABB10F77DE}\RP21\snapshot\Repository\FS\INDEX.BT R
512 4 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{1CF48179-0518-4F8A-808B-3FABB10F77DE}\RP21\snapshot\Repository\FS\OBJECTS. DATA
338 3 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{1CF48179-0518-4F8A-808B-3FABB10F77DE}\RP21\A0014227.RDB
338 3 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{1CF48179-0518-4F8A-808B-3FABB10F77DE}\RP21\A0016179.RDB
338 3 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{1CF48179-0518-4F8A-808B-3FABB10F77DE}\RP21\A0015180.RDB
338 3 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{1CF48179-0518-4F8A-808B-3FABB10F77DE}\RP21\A0017179.RDB
338 3 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{1CF48179-0518-4F8A-808B-3FABB10F77DE}\RP21\A0016180.RDB


I know I said I don't have system restore running, that is on my notebook. My son and daughter surf the web on the desktop, so I do have the OS drive monitored. I shut it down when I do video projects on it and instead of defragging it, I would shut down restore, delete all these backup files.