Why so hard on microsoft

[james636]

Guys, what's the big deal about microsoft being a bunch of crap? Am I missing something? Are you guys suggesting that it is the cause of a lot of pc problems? If not microsoft, then what else?

C'mon guys, speak out on this.


Enlighten me please.

[doppletwo]

Well the hom editions of Windows were very unstable until XP.

IE is a security risk.

Add the built in defragger sucks ass.

I can go on if you wish.

[BJ_M]

who said they were crap -?

this thread could get ugly .....

[glockjs]

cause they are run by an evil syndicate of underwear stealing gnomes

[ViRaL1]

Who you callin a pussy?

[glockjs]

Who you callin a pussy?

the cat sitting right there on your lap

[housepig]

on a personal computer level :

- forced upgrades / built-in incompatibility with previous versions of software
- security holes
- needless bloatware

on a business level, various shady dealings, driving out the competition through trickery or through being the 800-lb gorilla. attempts to co-opt impartial standards organizations to favor proprietary MS software & formats. sowing FUD.

"if not Microsoft, then what?" = Linux, for one.

if that question wasn't on the OS level, but the software level, name what you rely on for MS software, and I can probably dig up a viable alternative for you.

[glockjs]

who said they were crap -?

this thread could get ugly .....

and it starts

[BJ_M]

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[james636]

who said they were crap -?

this thread could get ugly

Please don't lock this thread just yet, well be nice

As for who called microsoft crap, just do a search and you'll see. I also were referring to comments made by other people about Microsoft.

Well the hom editions of Windows were very unstable until XP.

IE is a security risk.

Add the built in defragger sucks ass.

I can go on if you wish

Please go on. I want to know everthing that can be learned as to why people feel microsoft is evil and a bunch of crap.

Whenever I had a problem with my pc, I would normally blame it on my ignorance. I want to know just what microsoft itself had to do with any of my problems (if any).

I'm noway knocking Microsoft, nor am I starting this thread with the sole intent for people to bash microsoft. I'm just curious as to why people feel so strongly against Microsoft.

People talk about Linux, but how is it so much better than Microsoft? What are the Advantages and disadvantages (if any) of using Linux rather than Microsoft?

Although there is still much for me to learn about Microsoft and its OS, is it really worth learning a totally different type os OS?

[james636]

name what you rely on for MS software, and I can probably dig up a viable alternative for you

Everyday surfing, downloading, purchasing, chatting, etc.

security holes

How does the use of linux allow better security? Are you implying that hackers can't hack a system that is running linux. Isn't Microsoft doing everything it can to prevent such security threats?

Isn't hacking inevitable?

various shady dealings

Like what?

driving out the competition through trickery or through being the 800-lb gorilla

From a business stand-point, isn't that the objective?
But from a consumer stand-point, I see where you are coming from.

needless bloatware

What do you mean?

forced upgrades

I thought upgrades were a good thing

built-in incompatibility with previous versions of software

Example please.

[james636]

Bump.

[richdvd]

who said they were crap -?

this thread could get ugly

Please don't lock this thread just yet, well be nice

As for who called microsoft crap, just do a search and you'll see. I also were referring to comments made by other people about Microsoft.

Well the hom editions of Windows were very unstable until XP.

IE is a security risk.

Add the built in defragger sucks ass.

I can go on if you wish

Please go on. I want to know everthing that can be learned as to why people feel microsoft is evil and a bunch of crap.

Please don't ask this dude to go on....you will regret it.

[ViRaL1]

35min really isn't long enough to BUMP.

[sacajaweeda]

Everyone likes to complain about Microsoft but it seems nobody is ever serious enough to just quit using their stuff.

[james636]

35min really isn't long enough to BUMP.

Sorry, got a little "carried away"

Please don't ask this dude to go on....you will regret it.

On this subject, I bet I'd outlast him.

There is much for me to learn, so I'm open to all challengers who think that I'll give up first.


I put up $50 on myself :P

[richdvd]

35min really isn't long enough to BUMP.

Sorry, got a little "carried away"

Please don't ask this dude to go on....you will regret it.

On this subject, I bet I'd outlast him.

I think you already did

[snafu099]

Back in the early days of home pc's virtually every manufacturer had it's own version of DOS (disk operating system)

MS-Dos became the dominant os softeware for IBM-compatable pc's because it was easier to use and preformed better

Apple's graphical user interface up until window (really win95) was a more user friendly os, but Apple shot itself in the pocket book by over pricing the systems.

Since the price reductions of Apple pc's, if they are so much better os wise than Windows based ones, why are the masses not drifting back? The answer is that overall you can do more with a Win/intel machine for the $ than with a Mac

Standardization of compatable hardware from third parties did a great deal to push win/intel machines to the forefront

Other than OS software, MS was NOT the leader in productivity softeware for many, many years. They had to produce competitive functionality for consumers to change from what they had been using.

Bloated software?, yes but so is everyone else's.
Ask any programmer if he/she really wants to write from scratch in machine language so it is small and runs super fast or use libraries of code available that makes bloat and runs slower.
Keeping backward compatabily for the consumer hindered enhancements of OS upgrades.

Whatever your dislikes are, for the average consumer/user we buy and use what WE think is the best value/buy.

I have 3-4 distributions of linux on the shelf, why would I want to hassle with any of them and get less functionality, they did not cost that much less than the current versions of Windows when I got them. Linux does not suport all the hardware/software available for Windows machines

True I don't run alot of expensive MS software, I am not a power user and usually can find a freeware or shareware that does the basics of what I need but for myself, I have not found an alternetive to the OS overall

[james636]

So the question remains, why do a lot and I do mean a lot of people that use MS say that it is so crappy?

[MackemX]

is something still crappy if it works for you and you have no real issues of concern with it? I'm happy with MS and although it's not perfect it does give a wide range of choice and has been OK for me over the years

saying that, I'm forever fixing other people's PC's that have been messed up one way or another. All of those have been MS based as I've never really bothered with the other options. MS ain't perfect but it isn't as bad as some make out

if you look at how many say it's crap to how many who use it then maybe it's not as bad . How many installs of MS are there in the world? Anyone got an idea?

[doppletwo]

is something still crappy if it works for you and you have no real issues of concern with it? I'm happy with MS and although it's not perfect it does give a wide range of choice and has been OK for me over the years

saying that, I'm forever fixing other people's PC's that have been messed up one way or another. All of those have been MS based as I've never really bothered with the other options. MS ain't perfect but it isn't as bad as some make out

if you look at how many say it's crap to how many who use it then maybe it's not as bad . How many installs of MS are there in the world? Anyone got an idea?

Yeah, I still use windows.

But install numbers don't mena it's not crap. I mean isn't AOL still number 1.

[MackemX]

AOL is another one that's also labelled as crap. The few years I was with them were great as I could keep a connection for hours at a time. I think I used to average something like 14 hrs a day in usage every month

I'm just saying the more installs there is of a program then the more comments about something being crap you will see. MS probably is 'crapper' than other alternatives but it's not crap for me which is my main concern

[mcbit]

Its big and its ugly..........

But it does everything I want!!

[james636]

This is just curiosity for me. Thats why I'm pursuing this subject.

When you say

saying that, I'm forever fixing other people's PC's that have been messed up one way or another. All of those have been MS based as I've never really bothered with the other options

Do you mean the problems were directly caused by MS, or do you mean that the the pc's you fixed were only MS based?

[MackemX]

the PC's have all been MS based, it's the only one I know anyway. Most times it's normally user error but that's due to people trying to install a new program/device and making a mistake. Sometimes it's just that it's not compatiable with other things on their system and others are due to virus etc

it's very rare I don't find a solution to a problem with MS but sometimes it can be a pain to fix

[james636]

Other than the monopoly part, would you (MackemX) that people that use MS products complain just for the sake of complaining?

[MackemX]

personally, I wouldn't have a clue as to exactly why they are complaining as it could be for various reasons. I know when I'm fixing their computer it can get called all sorts by them

it's probably the same when my car gives me grief and I will grumble and moan about it. My mate fixes it for me no problem and I fix his PC no problem

so all in all, no problem 8). Nobody I know personally blames MS for having a monopoly though

[james636]

Nobody I know personally blames MS for having a monopoly though

Do a search and you'll see the hatred against Bill and MS because of its monopoly.

[MackemX]

why would I if I personally don't give a shit? . I know it's out there but it doesn't bother me in the slightest so I don't really feel strongly on the subject

[BJ_M]

in another thread here - it was said that apple was in control of its hardware and OS and that was a good thing ...


in here - people are saying its a bad thing because MS wants to control THEIR software ....


the argument is that MS has 96% of the market and apple 2.5% ..


ok -=- what if apple had 85% of the pc market and windows - 10% ...


think about that before pre-judging MS for a monopoly ..