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i just got a Sony KV-36HS420 HD-ready tv --> http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProduc...4%22to36%22TVs
it supports 480i/480p/720p/1080i via an HDMI input
my video card is an ATI All-In-Wonder 9000 Pro with a DVI output interface
when i connected the TV to the video card and booted my PC, everything seemed to be going OK -- got the screen where you can press Delete to go into the BIOS (looked GOOD, better than on my monitor!), got a good P.O.S.T., and then it went to the Windows XP splash screen that has the little blue progress bar at the bottom (also looked awesome!).
then it rebooted
and did it all again, & again, & again, & again, & again, & again...
endless cycle of reboot
obviously it works as a monitor, otherwise i wouldn't see the P.O.S.T. or the Windows splash screen
i have already gotten all Windows updates, updated all mobo/chipset drivers, updated mobo BIOS, and ensured that I have all the latest ATI drivers for my video card
I asked ATI (via email) for assistance on this and they suggested:
1 going into Device Manager and uninstalling all monitors
2 shutting down
3 connecting the TV again
4 rebooting.
when i did this, it saw the TV as a flat panel LCD (which it SO isn't) and it does this screwy 'widescreen' resolution that won't fit on the screen - also won't let me change it!
so how can I make Windows recognize the damn thing?
Sony doesn't offer any kind of help/support/whatever for this kind of problem. Micro$oft's website is an endless maze of senseless non-information
is there some kind of home-brew driver i can get??
do i just need to install some program/software????
what do i need to do?
for now i still have my ancient 17" crappy monitor hooked up and am using the 2ndary out on the card to connect with S-VIDEO to the HDTV -- S-VIDEO is looking like ass and just don't cut it
somebody please help, DOOM3, PainKiller, & Half-Life2 are waiting to be played in glorious 36" hi-def!
TIA!!!!!
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"To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research." - Steven Wright
"Megalomaniacal, and harder than the rest!" -
aw crap......
did i post this in the wrong forum??
dammit, i have reposted it in the computer forum."To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research." - Steven Wright
"Megalomaniacal, and harder than the rest!" -
Assuming that card is on the supported list, get the ATI HDTV adapter for the DVI-I connector (about $30). It outputs component analog in 480p, 720p, 1080i.
You will need a second display card VGA or DVI (and computer monitor) to set display modes. All this info is on the ATI site and in the manual for the HDTV adapters.
Even then, the HDTV will make a poor computer monitor but it will be great for games.
PS. No computer display card works with HDMI (due to HDCP encryption). You need to use component analog. If it's any comfort, it wouldn't look significantly better if you could get in through the HDMI connector. Component analog will be fine.
Bad news, your card isn't on the list.
http://www.ati.com/products/hdtvadapter/specs.html
Only options left, get a card on the list or get ready for a deeper level of geek or expense.
DVI-I to component analog transcoder boxes run $200-400.
http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/kd-vtca2.htm
Added>> Price break this one is $109 but must be used with Powerstrip software below http://www.digitalconnection.com/products/video/9a60.asp
After you establish a hardware connection, use Powerstrip software to set scan rates.
http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/powerstrip.html -
POOP!!!
but thanx for the info
i was wanting to be able to just switch back and forth between my monitor and my TV
i've got the PC connected to my receiver for sound and to the TV with S-VID.
this was fine when I had a 27" and was using it to watch DVD ISOs and play MAME, but now it looks like crapola
this new TV REALLY shows off the weakness of any given source......
i figured i could just unplug the TV or monitor and plug the other in when i needed to use the PC and my girly wanted to watch TV
looks like i'm stuck with S-VIDEO, as both of the TV's component inputs are used by the DVD player and the PS2......"To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research." - Steven Wright
"Megalomaniacal, and harder than the rest!" -
well, i just spent a fairly good amount of time on the phone with 2 of ATI's techs.
it ain't happening with this card, period.
unless i wanna buy all the expensive goodies edDV was talking about
mebbe it's time to upgrade to a All-In-Wonder 9800 Pro...... to bad they're so ******* pricey"To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research." - Steven Wright
"Megalomaniacal, and harder than the rest!" -
For your setup I would recommend the AIW-9600XT with 2 VGA outputs and here is why.
Use VGA 1 for your normal computer monitor.
Use VGA 2 w/ATI HDTV adapter to feed component 1080i HDTV to your HDTV's "wideband" input
If your DVD player is progressive, then you will need to share this "wideband" component input with the DVD player.
The PS2 would go to the other component input.
As far as I know, you can't get dual outputs on the AIW 9800 -
very good points
thanx!"To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research." - Steven Wright
"Megalomaniacal, and harder than the rest!" -
Standing alone, this statement patently incorrect. But, I suppose there are qualifications, exceptions, and conditions to be made.Originally Posted by edDV
Depending on the HDTV's connections and supported resolutions, some HDTV make great computer monitors.
I suppose the above statement addresses the readablility of text on a HDTV monitor, but, if the monitor supports pc resolutions, reading text on a HDTV monitor should not be a problem.
I have a 30" "hd-ready" LCD TV. I have the following connections: (1) antenna to TV tuner terminal; (2) Windows XP Media Center Edtion 2005 pc via DVI: (3) DirecTV set top box to s-video; (4) Sony VCR to composite: and (5) XBox via component with the special XBox HD cable.
The WMCE pc has an ATI HDTV Wonder tuner card, and provides brilliant local HDTV. The graphics card in the pc is an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, and pc gaming is fabulous. -
On my secondary computer, I use a Sapphire Radeon 9550 ATI chipset card, outputting DVI to a ATI DVI>Component adapter and then to my video projector.
While you can read text fairly well on the screen (Especially compared to a S-Video connection), I would no way want to use this for my computer monitor. It's great for video, but sucks for everyday computer monitor use. -
I suppose that your DVI to component adapter connection does not provide the text quality of a regular pc monitor. It may be that the maximum resolution you're getting is 480i, same as a standard definition television, which we know does not serve very well as a pc monitor.
The text quality on a 30" wide screen at 1280 x 720 resolution is better than on a pc monitor. It's biigger for one thing. I have Clear Type enabled, but that's beside the point.
I'm typing this from about 7 feet away from the screen, without eye glasses or any readability problems. No fuzzines or jagged edges.
Anyway, as I suggested, if the monitor can support pc monitor resolutions, then there should not be any issues with a large screen LCD TV as to use as pc monitor. -
if you get through bios and the windows screen with tv as the monitor then you know that signal is fine and everything is connected properly
it could be the resolution/refresh rate that is the problem
reconnect monitor
go into control panel and change it to 800x600 and change refresh to like 60hz
now connect back to tv and turn on again -
It comes down to personal preference and monitor technology tradeoffs.
As for personal preference assuming equal monitor technology, a 19" 4x3 1280x1024 LCD computer monitor will be used 12-18" in front of the user and will provide a full detail view of small text and graphic detail. A 30" 1280x854 16x9 LCD monitor is the equivalent of a ~33" 4x3 monitor with the bottom 17% chopped off. So in theory at 20-30" away, the 30" LCD will be equally readable. It will just have larger pixels and need to be pushed back a foot.
As for monitor technology, a LCD (like the Albatron's 30" LCD TV) is using computer display LCD technology that makes it OK as a computer monitor but suboptimal as a TV. Compared to a CRT or Plasma TV, this type of LCD has poor blacks (especially in a dark room), low contrast and incorrect gamma. TV gamma puts more detail in the dark colors where much of video interest takes place. Computer monitors are intended for use in bright office lighting and compromise for high luminance display. So today's LCD TV may be an OK compromise as a computer display. This does not necessarily apply to plasma, DLP or CRT models. These often come in either "conference room" (i.e. bright light) or "home theater" (dark room) optimizations.
Other issues:
- Most people will place their 30" LCD TV farther away than 30" so text will be harder to read.
- 1280x720 is not a supproted ATI or NVidia computer monitor resolution. Currently Powerstrip software must be used to create custom scan rates.*
- Most low to mid range HDTV sets will only accept 1080i or 480p scan rates which are suboptimal for computer text display. Many 1080i models can be "hacked" to accept 30 fps 540p (960x540) using Powerstrip but this is usually bad for text. 540P is created by tossing one field and halving the horizontal resolution of a 1920x1080 1080i computer output. While this may look OK for a movie, it can play tricks with detailed text.
- Many HDTV sets will block computer connection on the DVI/HDMI port by leaving HDCP encryption on all the time. Check this before you buy.
Individual preferences and usage priorities will determine choice.
My personal solution is to use a dual head graphics card with a computer monitor 14" in front of me and a CRT HDTV about 5ft away.
* or the ATI component analog HDTV adapter. -
A HDMI port will accept VGA 640x480 and that is it* as far as computer card resolutions go. So, when your Windows booted to a higher resolution the TV rejected it. It wants 480i/480p/720p/1080i. (Warning non standard scan rates can damage your HDTV)Originally Posted by Xylob the Destroyer
Two issues:
1) You need to create proper scan rates with Powerstrip software or use the ATI HDTV adapter and go in through the component analog (wideband Y, Pb, Pr inputs). ATI will only officially support that latter option. The adapter may or may not support your card.
2) Even if you provide say 1280x720 (720P) with Powerstrip, the Sony may still reject the signal unless it has HDCP encryption. Sony is likely to do this.
*Unless the TV specs indicate other resolutions can be used. Normaldefault is 640x480 as the only resolution in common with a computer card. -
i was thinking 640x480 beforeOriginally Posted by edDV
but then checked my display and lowest setting was 800x600
was 640x480 attainable on older cards? -
Originally Posted by edDV
Fiirst, I am presently about 6 feet from my 30" LCD monitor, and I can read the text just fine. Perhaps a few people may have difficulty reading the text, but most won't.
Indeed, getting 30 inches from my 30" monitor would certainly be too close for most people.
In its buying guide for LCD TVs, Cnet says that the minimum viewing distance for a 30" wide screen is 3.8 feet, and the maximum is 7.6 feet. I understand that this TV viewing, not pc usage distance.
Perhaps we are talking about different things, because these claims you make about the readability of text on LCD TV doesn't hold up at least in my experience.
Second, let me try to understand what you mean by "1280 x 720 is not a supported ATI . . . computer monitor resolution".
If you mean that 1280 x 720 resolution will not be an available setting when a typical "computer monitor" is connected to an ATI graphics card, then I guess you're right because your typical computer monitor is a 4:3 aspect set whereas widescreen LCD are typically 16:9. With the proper drivers for the pc monitor, a 1280 x 720 resolution would not normally be an available setting in the Display Control Panel.
On the other hand, if you mean that 1260 x 720 resolution will not be an available setting when an LCD wide screen monitor is connected to an ATI graphics card, then you're absolutely wrong.
Between the Windows operating system and the drivers for the ATI graphics card, they usually can auto detect when a widescreen LCD panel is connected to the DVI connector, and provide proper resolutions for them.
I use an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro graphics card, it correctly recognizes it as an LCD panel, and it offers a variety of resolutions including 1280 x 720, 1280 x 768, and 1280 x 960 in the Display Control Panel among other standard pc monitor resolutions.
As my LCD TV's native resolution is 1280 x 768, I did not need to use PowerStrip to properly setup this monitor.
Indeed, I have used PowerStrip, but it did not provide any settings very much different from the settings that was already provided by the ATI card. So, I did't see the necessity of using PowerStrip any further.
So your statement, while probably correct, does not tell the whole story, and readers who are not paying close attention might get the wrong idea that ATI graphics cards are incompetent in providing proper settings for LCD panels. So, your statement is correct, as far as it goes.
Oh, yeah. TomsHardware.com currently has a rather detailed discussion about LCD monitors and Plasma monitors, and readers might run over to Tom's to see what these technologies are all about. -
the problem is my card -- it doesn't support HDTV or the ATI component video adapter
i have spent a great deal of time on the phone with ATI, it simply is not going to work with this card -- period(except for the S-VIDEO connection that I am currently using
)
but i'm not ready to upgrade just yet (my girlie just bought me the card as a present and would be pissed if i went out an bought a new one!)
i want the AIW 9600 XT, but i'll probably wait at least another year to upgrade my card -- i'm sure there'll be even better stuff available by then"To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research." - Steven Wright
"Megalomaniacal, and harder than the rest!" -
X Destroyer
1. Did you try a HMDI to DVI cabler? The Sanyo HT30744 is a wide screen CRT with a builtin ASTC tuner and has an HMDI connector. There are threads over at AVSforums, and several Sanyo owners there have used a HMDI to DVI cable to connect to their computers with good results.
Look in the "Direct View (Single Tube based) Displays" threads at AVSForums.com.
Yeah, I know you will have to pay for that cable.
Incidentally, this particular 30" CRT seems to be a good performer and is available in WalMart Stores for about 650.
2. It's Sony's monitor, so perhaps Sony tech support can provide an answer, like a driver for your monitor?
But, #1 might be your best bet. -
um, yes.
that's the only way to do it with this card & TV"To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research." - Steven Wright
"Megalomaniacal, and harder than the rest!" -
was this via svideo or dvimy video card is an ATI All-In-Wonder 9000 Pro with a DVI output interface
when i connected the TV to the video card and booted my PC, everything seemed to be going OK -- got the screen where you can press Delete to go into the BIOS (looked GOOD, better than on my monitor!), got a good P.O.S.T., and then it went to the Windows XP splash screen that has the little blue progress bar at the bottom (also looked awesome!).
just because a guy on a helpline told you something doesnt necessarily mean that its true
they often say things just to get rid of people -
this was via the DVI out on the card using a DVI>HDMI cable
"To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research." - Steven Wright
"Megalomaniacal, and harder than the rest!" -
as you got into the bios and boot screen when using
but then it wouldnt go into windows the problem is likely to be that your desktop resolution or refresh rate is too highDVI out on the card using a DVI>HDMI cable
boot up pc with monitor
go in control panel
display options
change desktop to lowest setting (800x600) 0r (640x480) if allowed
also change refresh rate to 60hz
now turn pc off and try again using
[/quote]DVI out on the card using a DVI>HDMI cable
if it now works you can fiddle with desktop resolution and refresh rate to optimise picture -
My point was pure geomertric equivalency, not "can you read it?" To make the eye see the text at the same size as a 19" screen at 18", 30" would be that distance. Any further away, the text is smaller as seen by the eye.Originally Posted by GeekFunk
Viewing distance for theater is an entirely different subject.
For a 30" 16x9 screen, viewing distances should be
THX DVD 4.7 ft
SMPTE theater angles 4.1 ft
NTSC 6-10ft
http://www.myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html
http://www.myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancemetric.html
So text will be much smaller at those distances.
The ATI cards vary. The Radeon 9800 Pro graphics card does include HDTV resolutions. You are fortunate that you have a graphics card designed for HDTV and a monitor designed for computer input. Most people will find they have neither. In those cases Powerstrip will be need to generate scan rates acceptable to the TV.Originally Posted by GeekFunk
My origial position is the same, using a HDTV as a computer monitor requires compromises that should be considered prior to purchase. -
yeah
or somethin'
whatever....
as it is, the shit ain't gonna work for me
I sit about 5 feet from the screen ("you'll go blind!")
cable programming looks like SHIT
DVD and PS2 (via RGB/component connection) look fantastic
PC & GameCube (via S-Video connection) look quite nice
VHS, TG16, SNES, N64 (via composite vid) looks fine"To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research." - Steven Wright
"Megalomaniacal, and harder than the rest!"
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