how to set a layer break bit

[lumis]

i've got a home movie that is 1 hour 54 minutes and 10 seconds that is 6.76GB.

i want to set the layer break at 57 minutes & 22 seconds. the video is VBR so its more data that will be on layer 1, just slightly.

i've already outputted to vob/ifo/bup files with tmpgenc dvd author. the dvd is great when played through powerdvd. i'm a bit cautious about burning because i want to make sure the layer break is at the correct location.

i'd also like to know what software would be good for burning my VIDEO_TS folder.. i've got a few burning applications.

nero burning rom ultra edition 6.6 & copytodvd.

any help would be greatly appreciated.

[yhe2x]

try to use MPEG-VCR -OR- MPEG2VCR, search this site and I think there's a free trial version.

I use latest version of Nero for burning VCD/DVD.

[lumis]

mpeg-vcr is for editing/cutting mpeg video.

[guns1inger]

Nero will set a layer break, as will recordnow and probably most other burning apps that can burn to dual-layer. The problem is that you have little or no control over where they put it.

I believe you can use IFOedit to set the layer break. If this is so, I recommend running it through DVD Shrink (no compression) then burning with DVD Decrypter, as it seems to use the existing layer break, where something like Nero is more likely to create it's own regardless.

[Edmund Blackadder]

i've got a home movie that is 1 hour 54 minutes and 10 seconds that is 6.76GB.

i want to set the layer break at 57 minutes & 22 seconds. the video is VBR so its more data that will be on layer 1, just slightly.

i'd also like to know what software would be good for burning my VIDEO_TS folder.. i've got a few burning applications.

If you haven't read it yet, this thread should help you:

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=225001

Make sure to read it from start to end, as that thread was/is a learning experience regarding DVD+R DL for quite a few interested members.

[lumis]

wow, that was a novel.

let me see if i have this pegged correctly.

i cant add a custom layer break without re-authoring my movie? i'm going to have to demux the files and re-author them through dvd maestro and add my layer break with it? then burn with recordnow max?

i've got recordnow max 7 business edition.. i'm not sure if its 7.2 though. here's a screencap of the info screen.

[Edmund Blackadder]

i've got recordnow max 7 business edition.. i'm not sure if its 7.2 though. here's a screencap of the info screen.

Usually, if RecordNow is compatible with DL, then it will say DVDRW9 for DL drives. If your Pioneer is DL then probably your version of RecordNow is not compatible, because it just says DVDRW instead of DVDRW9. That's how it was with me and version 7.0. But after I upgraded to 7.2 everything became normal. Here's my screenshot (I wiped out the serial number though):



P.S.: Yes, re-authoring in DVD Maestro and then using PgcEdit and burning in RN 7.2 is the best way to go with your material.

[BJ_M]

wow, that was a novel.

let me see if i have this pegged correctly.

i cant add a custom layer break without re-authoring my movie? i'm going to have to demux the files and re-author them through dvd maestro and add my layer break with it? then burn with recordnow max?

i've got recordnow max 7 business edition.. i'm not sure if its 7.2 though. here's a screencap of the info screen.

having the serial number show is considered bad form ussually.....

[lumis]

edmund blackadder,

if i dont set a layer break recordnow max will automatically set it for me? because i really dont feel like extracting the mpeg, demuxing, & re-authoring.

it should playback just fine on pretty much any dvd player (booktype will be set to dvd-rom)? i just may experience a few seconds delay during the layer break in an undesired loacation?

if thats all it is, then i'm not too concerned.. i'll just use maestro next time.

thanks for your help.


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BJM,

sorry about that, i have edited out the serial number.

[Edmund Blackadder]

edmund blackadder,

if i dont set a layer break recordnow max will automatically set it for me? because i really dont feel like extracting the mpeg, demuxing, & re-authoring.

it should playback just fine on pretty much any dvd player (booktype will be set to dvd-rom)? i just may experience a few seconds delay during the layer break in an undesired loacation?

Yes, it will set the layer break for you automatically in IFO file, and will make a physical layer switching at the same exact spot. Just make sure that your version of RecordNow supports DVD+R DL. If your RecordNow recognizes a blank DL disc as "DVD+R9 8152MB Free" then you should be fine. If not, then you'll have to upgrade RecordNow.

RecordNow will not set bitsetting for you automatically. I don't know which DVDRW drive you have. It's got to be done in firmware of the drive, or use an external program like LiteOn Booktype Utility (for LiteOn/Sony drives) or something like DVDInfoPro for other drives before burning with RecordNow.

However, if you have Pioneer 108/A08 or 109/A09 then bitsetting is automatically recorded as DVD-ROM on DVD+R9 media.

[lumis]

edmund blackadder,

thanks for the info. the version of recordnow max that i have is 7.22, i re-installed it and it told me the version number during installation.

the drive i was burning it with is an NEC 3500 w/ a hacked firmware. it automatically sets the booktype on dvd+r, dvd+rw & dvd+r9 DL to DVD-ROM. i verified this on 2 different DVD-ROM's with dvd decrypter. i was also able to play the discs on 3 different DVD players (pioneer, sanyo, and some cheap dvd/vcr) and switch layers just fine. and i was able to play it off every pc dvd i tried it in. i wasnt able to play it in 2 ps2's that i tried, both v4's with failing lasers.

i've got a laser disc movie i want to dvd, i'll make sure i get the layer break to happen when i want to with maestro.

i wasnt really able to notice the dvd+r9 DL disc switch layers on any of the players, but then again the dvd players i tried them on might have had buffers. i've never noticed a layer break on any dvd movie i've watched.. but then again, they were professionally done (atleast i hope so :P )

on a side note, i thought i would have to ditch recordnow max for dvd burning with my new dvd burner (since 4.5 didnt support my new burner).. but 7.22 is a champ and its what i'll stick with.

thanks for all of your testing & help, you've saved me a ton of headaches.

[fritzi93]

on a side note, i thought i would have to ditch recordnow max for dvd burning with my new dvd burner (since 4.5 didnt support my new burner).. but 7.22 is a champ and its what i'll stick with.

You might have a look here:

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=102905

It may be possible to get RecordNow 4.5 to recognize your newer drive.

[lumis]

thanks for the suggestion. the nec 3500 isnt actually mine, its belongs to a friend of mine.. i'm ordering a benq 1620.. doesnt look like its supported by that version of recordnow max.. and it didnt look like the modded RNM v4.x supported dual layer burning.. i'll probably play around with recordnow max 7.22 and hopefully it'll be decent.. even though it looks (visually) like crappy software.

[fritzi93]

thanks for the suggestion. the nec 3500 isnt actually mine, its belongs to a friend of mine.. i'm ordering a benq 1620.. doesnt look like its supported by that version of recordnow max.. and it didnt look like the modded RNM v4.x supported dual layer burning.. i'll probably play around with recordnow max 7.22 and hopefully it'll be decent.. even though it looks (visually) like crappy software.

Sorry about the digression. But a lot of folks prefer the old RecordNowMax and don't care about DL. Someone may find it useful.

[lumis]

i prefer recordnow max 4.5, but i'm not gonna lose features by using it. 7.22 is being sold, being improved & being worked on. i wish 4.5 was too, but thats not the case.

[BJ_M]

7.22 is being sold, being improved & being worked on

it is being reduced to crap and features removed is more like it ..

the old prassi burning app (still being used by many) , is what record now max was built on -- and prassi is still far better in many respects and has more features ...

[lumis]

i didnt say it was better.. the older versions just dont offer support for my burner and its features.. so i cant really use it. if they did support them, i would definetly use them.

[BJ_M]

i didnt say it was better.. the older versions just dont offer support for my burner and its features.. so i cant really use it. if they did support them, i would definetly use them.

yea -- that would be a MAJOR drawback !

[Edmund Blackadder]

it is being reduced to crap and features removed is more like it ..

Perhaps visually it's getting reduced and you have less tweaks to play with, but it's in no way reduces its great burning quality and even better DVD+R DL handling.

the old prassi burning app (still being used by many) , is what record now max was built on -- and prassi is still far better in many respects and has more features ...

For your information, RN 7.2 still uses Prassi engine with addition to Sonic's HyperMuxDL for DL burning. It's the best engine combination you can possibly get for DVD burning. Simply burn something in RN 7.2 and check in DVDInfoPro - it will tell you that the recording ID is Prassi, same as with old PrimoDVD and RecordNow Max. So the only stripped down thing they did is GUI change. It took me some time to get used to after using RecordNow DX, but 7.2 is not any worse or less compatible with DVD players than older versions. So don't say that it's being reduced to crap.

Just look at Nero, there are so many options that you really never know which one not to touch in order not to screw up something. And the result is in this forum where people complain that Nero burn doesn't play on some of their DVD players, and keep asking which type of Nero compilation to use for DVD-Video. Almost never such a problem with RecordNow. The new RN 7.2 gives you the most compatible preset and greys it out, so you cannot screw it up. I myself use Prassi ONES with my new burners for Single Layer recording (Prassi is Prassi ), but RN 7.2 is the only one on my list for DL recording. There is no good competition for DL burning against RN 7.2, period. Sonic is the only one who follows DVD9-Video specifications to the letter. All other DL software makers pretty much screwed up, which is sad. For DVD9-ROM other apps are probably fine, but for DVD9-Video you simply gotta use RN 7.2. I did several DL tests and that was the conclusion I came up with.

[BJ_M]

the reason i say it is crap compared to prassi PrimoDVD, is that i have a lot of features in PrimoDVD that were removed in RNM..

for example:


batch mode, stream mode , maestro/scenarist img compatability for non standard sector size, DLT backup and retrive sessions, multple burner selection (even burn to different types at once - different sources) ..
robotic control for a number of vendors, OSJ code restrictions, password setting for option settings, prevent audio compilation burning or other non work type burning, built in disk face editor and printer , extensive logging, UDF CD

and in the pro version - more options ..


why i say its crap -- even the layout is better, doesnt look like a piece of candy ...

[Edmund Blackadder]

the reason i say it is crap compared to prassi PrimoDVD, is that i have a lot of features in PrimoDVD that were removed in RNM..

But the bottom line is: PrimoDVD and RecordNow prior to version 7.2 don't support DVD+R DL. It would be nice if they got updated to DL, but that will never happen. As stripped down as RN 7.2 is, it's the only reasonable choise for DL. Even more: it's the only DL software that uses Prassi engine.

Unfortunately the new Prassi ONES, being a wonderful DVD5 burning application that can use almost any present and future DVD burners without even the need for updates ("Fuzzy Logic"), well unfortunately it doesn't have a good DVD9-Video support. It doesn't take care of layer break like RN 7.2 does.

So, yes, RN 7.2 is a compromise feature-wise, but it's the only app that properly works with DL discs, especially for DVD9-Video.

[BJ_M]

very good point