Definitive "New Copy Protection" Thread

[Gurm]

SO until one of these nincompoops SENDS me an ORIGINAL DISC of the Incredibles that is unrippable... I'm declaring this CASE CLOSED. Score one for the people with brains.

[Sasha]

I really do not understand why some of you have to put down others when they are having problems. Is that the only way you get satisfaction in your life? That's pitiful.

For the sake of my personal experience ...

Abit AA8 mobo with LGA775 3GHz & 1GB XMPpro, PCI-Express 5300 video and a pair of Maxtor 7200 drives matched to a pair of WDC 7200 drives running XPpro w/SP2 all critical updates.

This past weekend I installed the latest version of DVD Decrypter in a process to break apart my Gilligan's Island flipper disks. Job done with the 'productive' assistance of some on VideoHelp.com--thanks folks!

I then set my eyes on backing up The Incredibles so I could take a copy to work during down-time. Popped the disk into the Pioneer A07 DVD writer drive and launched DVD Decrypter. It got about 100MB into the ripping process and locked the PC. CTRL-ALT-DEL did nothing and only a slap to the reset button on the Antec Sonota case got the reboot going.

Ok, I tried my first try with ISO>Read to create an ISO when this happened. I made a second try with just attempting to rip the VIDEO-TS and AUDIO_TS folders (and their contents) to the HDD. Locked up the PC again. Slapped the reset button again and tried DVDShrink to rip the disk and once again lockup.

This is a Region 1 disk bought at Best Buy. This is a PC I can freely nuke and pave at will. I've never had a disk-rip activity lockup this PC before. Nothing is overclocked (all running stock), with plenty of movie ISO files sitting on a couple of the drives.

End result: still cannot rip this DVD disk. Newbie? Sure, but that means nothing when I run into a problem others are experiencing. And while I was not required to reinstall XPpro I still managed to end up with a locked PC and an inability to backup this DVD.

So, instead of belittling everyone that is experiencing an unsuccessful rip, how about offering things to try to 'help' them?

[Cinemagic]

Sasha, If you read through the posts, you'll find that people seem more than willing to help others. It can get frustrating if someone asks for help, but doesn't really say what the problem is. Then there are the questions like "What error message are you seeing?" It's often the basic things that get people frustrated. When a post appears that simply says, "I can't burn with DVD Shrink, what do I do?" That simply invites comments. You simply can't help someone who doesn't have the presence of mind to provide at least a minimal amount of information. In this case, Gurm plainly asked for the original and stated what he would do to determine the problem. Instead, he got a copy. How can he, or anyone, possible determine what's wrong with the original if they are provided a non-functional copy? Some times sarcasm is a way of releasing frustration with newbies or double digits. But in fairness to all, the people here have been extremely helpful to newbies, double digits and pros alike.

[RottenFoxBreath]

ill say it again,THERES NO PROTECTION ON ANY OF THE 2 INCREDIBLES DVDS-in any region,and no exe files,or anything,just 2 folders,audio and video.
if you have a problem with ripping it and dvd decrypter,then why not take it to the dvddecrypter forums,ffs.
only other thing it could be is software,spyware,adware,porn laced with the finest worms,or just plain shite hardware-and no bitching,even if you think its top of the range or uber advanced,it wont be.
sasha,are you running anydvd,or have you played about with the firmware of that 107,its an old writer now,unsupported for a while,so i cant see its going to be top of the firmware charts.

[Sasha]

I wouldn't mind help and there are no error messages. With each lockup there is right about 100MB on the HDD.

And I am not saying there is any protection on the disk, the movie, etc., as I wouldn't even know how to look. I can only report what I did during the activity and what happened as a result.

[CoffeeEater]

I wouldn't mind help and there are no error messages. With each lockup there is right about 100MB on the HDD.

Do you only have 100MB free on your Hard Drive?

[SLK001]

I wouldn't mind help and there are no error messages. With each lockup there is right about 100MB on the HDD.

Do you only have 100MB free on your Hard Drive?

I'm hoping that he hit the "M" button when he meant to hit the "B" button. His COMPUTER PROFILE certainly shows enough HD space.

[Gurm]

Sasha,

I would be happy to figure out what is going wrong for you.

Please take that disc and send it to me. Seriously. PM me for my street address. I promise you'll get it back - people here know I'm at least relatively trustworthy. I'll even pay return postage!

I'll figure out EXACTLY what's on the disc. Of course, this won't help if there's just something gooning up with your machine. But it'll DEFINITIVELY rule it out.

USPS priority will get it here in 2 days, and costs $3. Well worth it, methinks!

[HatchetMan]

USPS Priority = $3.85

[hudsonf]

My curiosity is aroused! Will someone please send Gurm a disc that can't be copied. The only way to find out the truth is to let someone examine the disc.

[Sasha]

I wouldn't mind help and there are no error messages. With each lockup there is right about 100MB on the HDD.

Do you only have 100MB free on your Hard Drive?

Not sure if you were joking, but I have 2/3 of my disk capacity free.

Sasha,

I would be happy to figure out what is going wrong for you.

Please take that disc and send it to me. Seriously. PM me for my street address. I promise you'll get it back - people here know I'm at least relatively trustworthy. I'll even pay return postage!

I'll figure out EXACTLY what's on the disc. Of course, this won't help if there's just something gooning up with your machine. But it'll DEFINITIVELY rule it out.

USPS priority will get it here in 2 days, and costs $3. Well worth it, methinks!

Can I really trust you? I am open to know if its my setup, process, etc. or the disk. I am open to sending it out. Its not like it would break me.

[Gurm]

Yes, you can trust me.

1. I've been here a while, ask around. I'm a sarcastic bastard, but I'm helpful.

2. I already own The Incredibles. My son has watched it about 100 times now. We saw it in the theater thrice. No need to worry that I want to keep yours.

- Gurm

[Sasha]

Okay, let me send it to you. PM me the address and I'll try to get it off to you today.

[Cinemagic]

Sasha, Thanks for sending it to Grum. Members who have been around and post frequently have too much face to lose if they didn't return your disk. I would feel very comfortable in sending anything to Grum (even my ex-wife - please and I'll pay for one way postage). Seriously, there are too many people having problems and having a independant person examine the disk in question can help us all.

[jtoolman2000]

Yes send ittu GURM. I also have my store bought copy but now I'm a bit worried about attempting to back it up. Trust GURM, he is the MAN!!!

[papakilo]

Just noticed this thread and would like to insert my 2c

Friday I made a backup copy of both the Incredibles DVD's for my 6 year old so he wouldn't ruin the originals. using DVD shrink.

Was I supposed to have a problem? I didn't and both DVD's play perfectly.

I think some people might have software/hardware problems.

[Sasha]

I do not think its anyone's belief that anyone should have a problem. More a case that some (myself included) had a problem.

And blaming it on the software/hardware ot the thing between the keyboard and chair is a cop-out without a foundation to provide credibility on. I am more than willing to accept its a hardware/software or process failure, but no one seems to think to be identify something I am using or something I am doing as being the culprit.

BTW, item was sent, Priority Mail, USPS.

[CoffeeEater]

I think some people might have software/hardware problems.

Yeah, this one person is trying to back it up with only 100MB free on his HD!

[jtoolman2000]

I think they mean that it will write about 100Mb to the HD before it freezes. Am I correct SHASHA?

[Sasha]

I think some people might have software/hardware problems.

Yeah, this one person is trying to back it up with only 100MB free on his HD!

Um, it only copied 100MB onto the hard drive. I have several hundred Gigabytes free. 8)

[Gurm]

Sasha is one of the first people to post EXACTLY what happened - about 100MB into the rip it dies. Cool, I can test that. I can also test against my known-good copy.

What really irked me was the jokers saying "after I tried to rip The Incredibles NOTHING would rip" or "The Incredibles gave me and all my friends SPYWARE!" or "I was ripping the Incredibles and it corrupted my hard drive!"

Then when I ask one of these retards for their failing disc, they send me a BOGUS COPY. When I call them on it their response was "well I had to return the original to the video store" <--- WHAAATTTT!?!?!?

[otpw1]

Then when I ask one of these retards for their failing disc, they send me a BOGUS COPY. When I call them on it their response was "well I had to return the original to the video store" <--- WHAAATTTT!?!?!?

FWIW I recently had a bad IDE cable that had me pulling out hair! It was the one that came with the burner. It amazes me how much havoc simple things can cause.

[ssbianchi]

What really irked me was the jokers saying "after I tried to rip The Incredibles NOTHING would rip" or "The Incredibles gave me and all my friends SPYWARE!" or "I was ripping the Incredibles and it corrupted my hard drive!"

Then when I ask one of these retards for their failing disc, they send me a BOGUS COPY. When I call them on it their response was "well I had to return the original to the video store" <--- WHAAATTTT!?!?!?

Gurm, I gotta agree with you on an earlier post - you ARE a sarcastic bastard. I sent you my copy of The Incredibles that had the same problem on it as the one I rented from Blockbuster - informed you of what was happening - let you know the exact sequence as to what I did - and the only thing you can do is complain that it wasn't an original disc, so how can you effectively test it?

Regardless, the problem is there so you should be able to duplicate it. Sasha has now sent you her disc (which is an original), so hopefully it has the same problem and you can verify it since you obviously don't trust mine.

And everyone should keep an open mind on this - just because some people have had a problem copying discs and others haven't, doesn't mean the problem is false.

[Nitemare]

I recently had some problems ripping a DVD that turned out to be a bad sector on my HDD. It would rip fine but would die during the burn. I ran scandisk and then it burned fine.

Of course, later on I ran Ad Aware and discovered that I had NO spyware on my system. I became suspicious so I reformatted just to be sure.

[Gurm]

What really irked me was the jokers saying "after I tried to rip The Incredibles NOTHING would rip" or "The Incredibles gave me and all my friends SPYWARE!" or "I was ripping the Incredibles and it corrupted my hard drive!"

Then when I ask one of these retards for their failing disc, they send me a BOGUS COPY. When I call them on it their response was "well I had to return the original to the video store" <--- WHAAATTTT!?!?!?

Gurm, I gotta agree with you on an earlier post - you ARE a sarcastic bastard. I sent you my copy of The Incredibles that had the same problem on it as the one I rented from Blockbuster - informed you of what was happening - let you know the exact sequence as to what I did - and the only thing you can do is complain that it wasn't an original disc, so how can you effectively test it?

I'd love to know! Copies don't have ANY protection on them. AT ALL. If you couldn't rip it in the first place, how in CHRIST'S NAME could you possibly write it? Or is this "copy" one that you downloaded? What you say makes NO SENSE. We've all been over this 1000 times in this forum - burnt discs have no protection. If they can't be read it's because they were poorly burnt. Period. Telling me your methods of copying a rental video is useless when I don't have the video you were attempting to copy.

Regardless, the problem is there so you should be able to duplicate it. Sasha has now sent you her disc (which is an original), so hopefully it has the same problem and you can verify it since you obviously don't trust mine.

I don't "trust" yours because it's a BROKEN COPY ON DVD+R! Good GOD, do you make any sense even to yourself? What are you claiming - that the COPY on DVD+R ... ALSO HAS SOME KIND OF PROTECTION?

And everyone should keep an open mind on this - just because some people have had a problem copying discs and others haven't, doesn't mean the problem is false.

Yes, yes it does. If you can't copy a disc, but you hand it to me and I can copy it - that means your hardware or software is at fault, NOT THE DISC.

See, people? THIS is the kind of crap I've been getting. I offer to publicly apologize if someone sends me a protected original, and I get THIS crap. And then he sends me nasty private messages saying "why are you ripping on me in the forum". Note that I didn't mention his NAME until he chimed in here.

[dvdguy4]

Well maybe Gurm you shouldnt try to help people anymore. Let people try to do it on their own.
There are people who really need the help and there are the ones that are just to lazy to figure out things on their own. Im always willing to help those who need it not the ones that expect it.

[Sasha]

Ok, I now have a good reason to believe the problem I am experiencing is not related to the 'Incredibles' DVD. I finally got some time (by a chore I cannot do thanks to the weather) and tried to rip another title to ISO.

Again, the ripping process using the latest DVD Decrypter hit a brick wall at 102,674 KB transferred data. This is to a drive with +85GB of free disk space. No activity to the HDD or from the optical drive. This time, though, the PC did not lockup entirely. I could move the mouse, open folders, etc., but I could not close the app nor get to the Task Manager. Heck, I couldn't even get into the Control Panel, hehe.

I am logged in with am admin account. I have time today so I can wipe the boot drive and reinstall things. After trying to get to the Control Panel the system seemed to get 'busy' so only mouse movement and nothing else could be conducted. I think a buffer of some sort has overrun--just guessing here.

Oh, the title in question is Dark City.

[Sasha]

UPDATE:

Houston, we have a problem. Well, just for grins I tried to rip and ISO to another HDD that is identical to the one I had been ripping to, except that instead of 85GB free it has 177GB free.

Its 900MB copied so far to the disk. I did reinstall the OS (I don't mind as its a passive activity for me) and some apps, etc. and the same problem continued to exist. So, I rebooted and this time let it copy to whatever default drive DVD Decrypter wanted to use and she's going like a champ.

[Sasha]

Success. So, now I have to figure out why a drive previously used without problems will not let me use the last 85GB of a ~185GB drive. I've got 48-bit address enabled ... but this is a discussion for a PC hardware forum.

[Gurm]

So you'll be wanting me to turn that disc around then, huh Sasha? Glad to hear you got it sorted.

Everyone else: I'm happy to help even the clueless, so long as they don't get mad at me and bash me publicly for trying to help. Jeez.