Terrible m2v with TMPGEnc 2.5 Plus Trial

[Dobermann]

Hello,

I followed the suggested settings found here:

http://dvd-hq.info/Compression.html

and also here:

http://www.digitalfaq.com/convert/tmpgenc/tmpgencplus.htm

and I believe one other guide that I found here that I cannot find now. The output on screen looks just fine, but once I burned the DVD, it was crappy on my stand alone Zenith DVD player and regular TV. It had motion trails all over the place which made it look jerky. I used Adobe Encore DVD 1.5 Trial version to author and burn.

What could the problem be? In TMPGEnc under options it said the source was non-interlaced, but I cannot seem to find a way to verify this.

Here is a link to a small 8 second clip if anyone wants to try to encode (demux ES only) it and see if they get the same problem. The clip is of a poodle that does back flips!

CS

[gastorgrab]

You don't have to use the Wizard with TMPGEnc but it's handy for determining whether a clip is interlaced or not

[Dobermann]

Good trick, thanks. But now you have created another question. When I compare yours to mine, if I did not know that we were both using the same clip, I would never have questioned it. Notice how when I load the file, it says the aspect ratio is something different from yours? How can this be?

[fmctm1sw]

I'm slightly confused. Are you trying to author that "flips" clip or convert it? It looks like a 704x480 MPEG-2 clip which would lead me to believe it's already DVD compliant (unless you used some wierd bitrate).

[Soopafresh]

Try changing the field order to bottom frame first in TMPGenc

[lordsmurf]

Sounds like your source settings were wrong. TMPG can lie. Use GSPOT to check the source.

[Dobermann]

If you think you are confused, imagine how confused I must be <G>. Flips is an unconverted clip from the longer one that I wish to use. When I cut it out, I did not change any of its format. At least that is what I remember, but it shows Field A vs the master it came from is showing Field B. But really, that clip is a digression, and was put to show the action that looks really crappy when burned.

It was orginally captured using Hauppauge WinTV 350, variable rate 4800 to 6000, 720 x 480, 15 GOPs. Until now, I never bothered to check out these settings, as it has only been in the last couple of weeks that they have had any meaning to me. Anyhow, I took the captured file, cut out what I did not want using MSP, they Smart Rendered it without changing any of its settings.

From there, I used TMPGEnc 2.5 Plus to demux the video, then used Encore to author and burn the sinning DVD. Should I have further encoded it for some reason??? If so, to what and why?


Can you see where I went wrong?

And, is it just me, or does the img tag only allow one image per posting? I could not see how to do the multiple images, so that is why I used the http links above.

Thanks!
Dobermann
... at least dog training is black and white, and once my Dobermann is encoded, I don't have to demux him!

[Dobermann]

GSpot does not like me... It does not seem to tell me much of anything on any of my clips. See below:



Have I got its settings munged, too, somehow???

Thanks
Dobermann

[Dobermann]

Oh, and here are the "rendered" settings from GSpot once I clicked on the button for more info:

[Soopafresh]

You need the newer (beta) GSPOT v2.52 to give you info on your MPEG file.

[Dobermann]

Here is the GSpot Beta report on the master file before TMPGEnc had at it:

[Dobermann]

And here is the GSpot Beta report on the demuxed file (m2v) that TMPGEnc created:



Can you see what is wrong?

[Safesurfer]

Well the field order is switched from TFF in your source to BFF in the TMPGEnc M2V output. It wasn't clear to me if you used TFF in your first attempt to encode, but that is what I would try first. Flipping the field order will make the motion look terrible.

[Dobermann]

I feel really stupid. Where, oh where, do you see the field order in either of these two images???

I know my capture card saves as Field B, and thought that was how TMPGEnc was saving it. Does it have to be Field A for a DVD?

Thanks,
Dobermann

[Safesurfer]

I feel really stupid. Where, oh where, do you see the field order in either of these two images???

I know my capture card saves as Field B, and thought that was how TMPGEnc was saving it. Does it have to be Field A for a DVD?

Thanks,
Dobermann

Under the Flds/sec box on the right you'll see lit up in green TFF in your source image, and BFF in the output image. MPEG2 can be either BFF or TFF, depending on your source, it's just not a good idea to flip them as you've seen.

[Dobermann]

I realize what is wrong. That info is in the little black boxes. For some reason, I can never see anything written on a black background. It's a real pain, too, as I am always having to edit my browser preferences to use my colors when I hit a black background web page. Unfortunately, GSpot has a bunch of black boxes on it that I will never be able to read.

I wonder what all of them say.....

Thanks ever so much for your help. I will demux them again and make sure the field order is the same.

Thanks!
Dobermann