VCD stored 10000 songs?

[diablo_007]

I have no idea why i am asking this question but is it possible to store 10000 video karaoke songs in a single VCD?

The reason is i had obtain this VCD which played on the Karaoke Machine (i've forgot what the brand or model) which told that it contain more than 10000 video karaoke songs.

I don't know if it believable or not because when i try to open it on my PC it won't start (i have DVD-ROM & CD-ROM both can't play) i also notice the file extension is to be .DAT (which meant VCD format?)

Anyway the real question is can VCD stored up to Video Karaoke Songs?

[Forum Troll]

Since karaoke lyrics are just text files (like subtitles) and take up very little space, I'm sure it could be done.

[celtic_druid]

Assuming 80min media a VCD can contain 80mins, so for 10,000 songs they would need to be like half a second each.

I was under the impression that karaoke CD's were normally CD-G's though.

[mats.hogberg]

Even with regular bitrate MP3, you can't get more than like 150 songs on a CD - so no way you can fit like 100 times more! (And that's without any video.)

/Mats

[diablo_007]

Since karaoke lyrics are just text files (like subtitles) and take up very little space, I'm sure it could be done.

Maybe my unclear question made it hard to understand, because what i really meant is could a single VCD can really store a 10,000 Real Video Karaoke Songs, approx 3-4 minutes for each songs (not just lyrics, or subtitles)

I myself also hard to believe but could it be?

I will try to get the brand and the model of the Karaoke Player.(remember only that kind of Player can be able to play that CD, normal or other Player wont be able to read just as my 3 PC & a laptop.

[diablo_007]

Ok the machine is made in Korea and the model/brand is
BEEOH-CDQ-303. I'm not to sure if it helpful though because that the only english part it displayed the rest is in foreign language (korean)

Could anyone clear this up for me !!!

Plus i will try to get the CD again tonight and post the files directory folder incase the information above won't assist.

Thx

[thecoalman]

Maybe my unclear question made it hard to understand, because what i really meant is could a single VCD can really store a 10,000 Real Video Karaoke Songs, approx 3-4 minutes for each songs (not just lyrics, or subtitles)

No

I myself also hard to believe but could it be?

And No

What you purchased is the text files that produce the subtitles.

Try copying one of those .dat files to your comp and change the extension to .txt Most likeley your going to find it contains the lyrics and whatever formatting is required for it to be read by a Karaoke machine.

[vitualis]

Unless, the "karaoke" files involve midi files with time synced lyrics. I suppose that you could fit tons of stuff on such a CD.

Regards.

[d_unbeliever]

ya it could fit and they are in midi that's why they are so small

[richdvd]

ya it could fit and they are in midi that's why they are so small

There is no way to get that many songs on a CD if they are 3 to 4 minutes each. Doesn't matter if they are MIDI or not.

[steve2713]

There is no way to get that many songs on a CD if they are 3 to 4 minutes each. Doesn't matter if they are MIDI or not.

wrong.

An average midi file is, what, 50-100kb (if that)?

[mats.hogberg]

Oh, yes - as MIDI, they only have to be e few k each - plenty of room for 10.000 of those, with lyrics as text files.

/Mats

[richdvd]

Show what I know...lol
I thought MIDI files were larger than that.

[yhe2x]

either way......it says 10000 Real Video Karaoke (not just lyrics or subtitles)that means it has everything......video,audio and text, so there's no way fit all of those in 1 VCD/DVD or whatever.

[Cornucopia]

Check out a similar thread https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=231102&highlight=midi+karaoke, where I helped dvd101 with his/her Karaoke disc.

In structure it was a modified VCD, containing, in addition to the VCD stuff, a single archive file which held the contents and indexing of all 10000 (or was it 20000) MIDI files. With midi, file size isn't really an issue. Smallest is ~1-5kB, Largest is ~1MB, so you can easily get that many on a disc.
MIDI also supports Karaoke Subtitles/Text, so if a player supported both, you would have MUSIC+TEXT
The type of disc mentioned used the VCD MPEG track as a "background" video that the Music overlayed. Therefore: MUSIC+TEXT+VIDEO. It wasn't "synced" up to it or anything, you could easily stick any video you wanted, so long as it fit for total length. That is precisely what dvd101 wanted to do: replace the background video.
After a lot of back and forth emails, and hands on analysis of the disc, I think we came to a solution to the puzzle, although I didn't get a final reply so I'm not sure.
That disc was made for MALATA brand players; yours may be compatible...
Why don't you give us a list of files/folders by looking at it with ISOBuster.

HTH,
Scott

[Anhkhoi]

Yes, I have a hybrid DVD disk. The file content is as follow:

AUDIO_TS
VIDOE_TS
megatron
9703
CHORUS.DAT
CRS&TCK.INX
VTITLE.INX
SINGER.INX
VTITLE.TAB
SINGLE.TAB
SONG.DAT
SONG.INX


This DVD can only play on Arirang DH-4500 player and no ther player can play this DVD.

This DVD play music+karaoke lyric on a single background DVD video. The karaoke is MIDI and MP3G. You select the song with a remote control and just key in the 5 digit number and it will the song accordingly. This DVD has 10,000 to 30,000 songs in it. A lot of songs.

I thinh the index number is index into those inx files, and the actual music and lyric is in the CHORUS.DAT and SONG.DAT because these 2 files are huge.
I wonder if anybody be able to extract the song from these DAT files into CDG or BIN or MP3G format.

I would like to replace the background video on this disc and may be extract/add some karaoke files of my own into this disc

Any help would be appriciate - Thank you

[Anhkhoi]

Assuming 80min media a VCD can contain 80mins, so for 10,000 songs they would need to be like half a second each.

I was under the impression that karaoke CD's were normally CD-G's though.

These music files are stored as encoded MP3 or MIDI, not wav or CDA format. I be able to store and play 40 hrs of music in a single CD.

[Cornucopia]

Could you open up your DVD in ISOBuster and give us a listing of the files and folders (and paths) and their sizes and LBA starting addresses?
That might help a little.

What's needed it for someone to parse the Index and DAT files and use binary/hex editor to figure out the structure of the encapsulated MIDI files.

I'm guessing they're KAR files, or similar [MIDI/MP3 + Graphics/Text] combination, archived into a zip-type file.

Scott