Which Has Better Features?

[chole]

man, you guys kill me. Was his question THAT complicated? He wants to know OPINIONS on which is a better product. OK?!?!?!? If you don't know, then just don't answer. OF COURSE it is subjective - that's why there is more than one product on the market.

I think some of you just can't admit you "DON'T KNOW" and keep quiet! Try listing some features, pros,cons for the dude if you know - none of us need your lectures on why our questions are stupid.

As far as buying both and returning one, I find that as unethical as stealing software via warez. You've just cost one company the complete cost of packaging and shipping their unit rather than do some research before hehd to determine what's best for you. Nothing wrong with returning one that doesn't work well, but to have the INTENTION to return one costs the rest of us in higher prices, especially if everyone did it.

There, now YOU'VE been lectured.

The above says it all!

[chole]

Well, if you don't want to buy 2 DVD recorders at once ... just buy one. Try it out. Kick the tires. If you don't like it, return it. If you do, keep it. Pretty simple

I thought this forum was all about opinions from people that own different DVD recorders, that's why I'm here, but I guess I was wrong, I think that's pretty simple!

I don't buy equipment, spend the time trying to learn it, which to me is a pain in the ass, with the intention of returning it and starting all over, like when I buy a car, I research the one I think I like best and then buy it with the intention of keeping it 3 or 4 years.

[gshelley61]

The problem is, opinions are like ********... everybody's got one and they're all different. And opinions are highly subjective. One man's trash is another man's treasure.

FWIW, I've owned two DVD recorders. The Panny E50 (which is identical to the current E55 in performance and features), and the JVC DR-M10. Both capture to DVD compliant MPEG2 very well with excellent image quality. However, the JVC is superior in a few key ways. First, it can capture to DVD-RW in standard DVD-Video format, which is great for simple editing and authoring final DVD-R's on the computer. The DVD-RAM VR format recordings I made with the Panny were a pain in the ass to extract and often were buggy (at least on my system... some report no problems with the VR format files).

JVC DVD recorders have their proprietary "DigiPure Technology" video processing circuits on the analog inputs... this includes a very high quality 3 line motion adaptive Y/C separation filter, a line time base corrector, chroma and image edge enhancement, and digital video noise reduction (that really works). "DigiPure Technology" video image processing is well known for being particularly effective because it has been in JVC's top of the line S-VHS machines for years (most people agree that these high end JVC VCR's are very hard to beat for image quality). This image pre-processing feature stabilizes and cleans up video sources surprisingly well, and allows the MPEG2 encoder to produce a smoother picture with less artifacts (like macroblocking, grain, streaking, etc.) As a result, the JVC simply does a better job of capturing MPEG2 than the Panny, especially for anything over 2 hours.

Both the Panny and the JVC have effective playback MPEG video noise reduction to suppress macroblocking and mosquito noise, but when the discs they produce are played on other machines that do not have this type of filtering, you can really see the difference. The JVC makes a better recording.

Some people have encountered problems with getting the "loading" message with their JVC DVD recorders too often... there is a free fix available from JVC for that (it's on their web site). It's apparently a couple of faulty resistors that wind up overheating and failing. Mine has worked just fine so far.

So now you have my opinion. And now you can be certain there will be a few people that will soon warn you that JVC is shit, it breaks, etc. (due to the above mentioned minor production flaw). And then the Panny fans (of whom there are many because they are #1 in market share for DVD recorders) will swear that Panasonic is the best, most reliable, etc. And then the Sony fans, the Pioneer fans, the Toshiba fans... you get it now?

[lordsmurf]

(of whom there are many because they are #1 in market share for DVD recorders) will swear that Panasonic is the best

Which I want to add is ONLY because they were first on the scene (not best) and have 2x-4x times the models available. Most companies only have 1 or 2 instead of 3-4+.

They produce DVD recorders like Apex produced DVD players: fast, medium quality at best, and new models come out all the time (usually because the last one had serious flaws that are never corrected).

That's where the "magic" is having a #1 market share. Flooding it.

As long as people tell me their E30 is "perfect" quality, I can rest assured the general consumer is as stupid as a brick.

[budz]

this thread still going on strong huh! i don't own a tv set dvd recorder just yet. to each's own is my advice. what may seem a good brand to you may not be to others. everyone's eyes are different so what may look good using a jvc may not be to someone who has another brand. buy the darn recorder already and post back your reviews by starting a new thread. JVC was bought out by PANASONIC for those who didn't know this.

going off topic - JVC was the founder of the VHS. There is a japanese movie about how the VHS was invented by JVC and how they got PANASONIC to go along with their VHS format instead of the BETA. It's a true story.

anyways why doesn't some moderator lock this thread because i think opinions were given and this is going on and on and on with it going no where. you'll have members that fav their own brands of dvd recorders just like computer components. just my last 2 cents!

[lordsmurf]

JVC was bought out by PANASONIC for those who didn't know this.

No it was not. Matsushita owns both Panasonic and Victor (JVC) and some others too. Plus it has a lot of self-branded items. They do not share tech between companies, from the looks of things.

[budz]

JVC was bought out by PANASONIC for those who didn't know this.

No it was not. Matsushita owns both Panasonic and Victor (JVC) and some others too. Plus it has a lot of self-branded items. They do not share tech between companies, from the looks of things.

ummmm......who do you think owned PANASONIC from the get go! MATSUSHITA is PANASONIC.....Mr. Matsushita himself allowed PANASONIC to go along with JVC's technology of the VHS......i'm not surprised that he bought out JVC.....although both brands are under one ownership they have separate entities......

[lordsmurf]

Structure-wise, they've never really been "the same" company.
No more than JVC = Panasonic.

And it's probably not 100% ownership either, just majority stake.