question on peer2peer?

[bigmicka]

ok now im not asking for files, im not asking how to connect to networks.

what i am asking for is technical comparisons with the example i am going to give below. im looking for legal/technical responses.

if it gets out of hands mods just close it as im not particularly worried if it disappears.

ok recently there has been huge inititives by the entertainment industry to get the supreme court to shut down peer to peer netowrks.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1496271/20050126/index.jhtml?headlines=true

being just one article on the issue recently.

but what if even the most basic functions of windows allow this exact thing to happen?

if you press start and run and type FTP and press enter you will be taken to microsofts ftp client software, its old, its command line only but what does it allow you to do? it allows you to connect to other peoples networks and download any material shared out by the host. be it legal or illegal material. infact you can get windows explorer to connect to a ftp folder with a gui and the ability to copy and paste onto your desktop material that may be subject to copyright.

what about using outlook express as a news group client? doesnt it allow for the joining of files from multiple posts? isnt this funuction used by copyright infringers to distribute pirated material?

how does this differ to what the p2p companys do? in my eyes not much.

will the introduction of this legislation or ruling lead to a case where the ISO organisation are held accountable for what people do on the tcp-ip networks? its what the basic transport of the whole net is.

will this lead to the entertainment industry suing the U.S. Government and educational institutions for the creation of a network which allows for the transport of copyrighted materials? seeing as this was the fundemental basis of what the internet is today?

comments, flames anything appreciated.

mic

[BJ_M]

when you go to a website you are connecting to someones else computer and downloading something ..

technically it is not legal under the DMCA - which has been pointed out more than once ..

[reboot]

FTP and Newsgroups have remained out of the spotlight, mostly because of the small percentage of internet users that actually know how to use them.
If there were no such thing as free, gui driven, point and click, P2P apps, then a lot more people would be using ftp and newsgroups, and I'm sure they would come under attack as well.
Also remember the publicity that P2P got with the original Napster.
Who knows, maybe ftp and usenet are the next two targets of the RIAA?

[ViRaL1]

I remember back when FTP and BBS was the only way to get 'stuff.'

[reboot]

I remember when BBS and Compuserve were the ONLY games in town
In fact, I still have that 300 baud accoustic modem hooked up to my Osborne 1.

[adam]

How you are making your connection is irrellevant. Its not the protocol, its the maintenance of it. Nothing in the DMCA makes P2P use or http use or anything else a violation. What the MPAA, RIAA, and BSA are arguing is that the operators of various P2P networks are failing to excersize safeguards to prevent against infringement. This is made a violation under the DMCA safeguard provisions. As a network operator, if you know that there is copyrighted material being unlawfully distributed on that network you have to take reasonable precautions to prevent it. Essentially, the argument is that P2P operators should be held liable for contributory infringement unless they adequately filter the files on their network to remove some amount of the infringing material...how much would satisfy these organizations is not clear.

Though the attack on P2P is much more visible, the DMCA safeguard provisions have been applied MUCH moreso to http than P2P.

[ViRaL1]

Is that why all the WaReZ sites keep going down?

[Doramius]

Here's my thought's on the whole thing.

[Rookie64]

FTP and Newsgroups have remained out of the spotlight, mostly because of the small percentage of internet users that actually know how to use them.
If there were no such thing as free, gui driven, point and click, P2P apps, then a lot more people would be using ftp and newsgroups, and I'm sure they would come under attack as well.

I noticed recently that AOL is no longer offering its members access to any Usenet newsgroups...wonder if that had anything to do legalities.

With AOL, their service would automatically decode binaries, making it easy to download files (even in multiple parts...as long as all parts made it through AOL's newsfeed).

There might've been some pressure put on them since Usenet has been a source for warez for many years.

Don't know how that might affect Usent down the road if ISPs start pulling the plug on Usenet access.

There are a number of altnernatives, including free newsfeed servers, but many of them give you limited access or only carry certain groups.

[BJ_M]

Usenet blocked part of aol didnt they ? as they did with a a few cable companies ...

[sacajaweeda]

IBTL!

[p_l]

[ViRaL1]

Copyrighted Music = Communism? Just one more reason to hate the RIAA.

[BJ_M]

shows a mac in the poster -- hmmmmm

are mac users really ...........? ? ?

[Capmaster]

shows a mac in the poster -- hmmmmm

are mac users really ...........? ? ?

Yes.

[shelbyGT]

More so than anyone else, actually.

[sacajaweeda]

[shelbyGT]

I thought that guy looked eerily familiar.

[BJ_M]

hahaha - great job

[doppletwo]

Qwest is blocked from Usenet or blocks usenet I am not sure.

But only through the Microsoft apps.

I can get to it through other apps. Weird or just lazy Hmm.

No, not me the fact that...

aahh forget about it.