thanks for all help will try that smear also will try that to sabro, I mean download the trial of anydvd and try it. and dvdguy my sync is off like 13 sec and I tried to sinc them in Tmpgenc but thats in msec and even read a script in VTS file said delay of like 98886msec, tried that reencoded still no go.... ANd yes all I do need to up grade just been working so well til now and 10 cents a movie for cd's and are really good quality. But it seems every other movie now is protected....any othe ideas please post...thanks