Who Me Sexist

[Shadowmistress]

Well said, northcat.

[SquirrelDip]

Lifting a 80 lb jackhammer isn't of significant value? How would you get to work in the morning without roads, or better yet where would you work without a building to work in. Just because it's a physical ability doesn't make it insignificant.

Building the road is significant - everyone from the engineer that designs the road to the person flagging traffic during construction is significant. Lifting the jackhammer (in isolation) is not.

[Ironballs]

Men have the ability to ignore suoermarket muzak

[lordsmurf]

I agree that men are better in sports but what about things like parenting or science etc.

Name 5 of the greatest scientists ever, and what they did.
Go ahead, expand the list to TEN if you want.
Are any of them women? I doubt it.

Just a thought. Not picking any side here.

[Ripper2860]

I agree that men are better in sports but what about things like parenting or science etc.

Name 5 of the greatest scientists ever, and what they did.
Go ahead, expand the list to TEN if you want.
Are any of them women? I doubt it.

Just a thought. Not picking any side here.

Maybe not -- but each of them had a mother.


Hey -- wait a minute! What the F....
... Yeah -- that's right LS -- you tell them, man!!!

[Ripper2860]

I'm not saying they are or aren't . I would agree that men are better at somethings then women. I don't think thats a sexist statement. I was just asking if anybody knew where the prove is of what they are better at.

Well it's been a while since I've gotten educational on here...so it's about time to dust of the intelectual <mispelled for satire affect> side of me....

Arguing that men are better at things than women is at best a line of logic from the ignorant.

Fact is that there exists somewhere a man who is the best 80 lb jack hammer operator in the world. But that is not saying that there are not women who are better jack hammer operators than any man. I'll bet there are a bunch who can operate a jackhammer better than Stephen Hawking.

People gain acute skill levels through life long learning processes, skills are developed out of either interest or out of need. If one was to eliminate the physical differences of strength and speed, then to make a blanket statement that any man or any woman is better at something simply based on their sex is at best ignorance because all people come from different social backgrounds, different motivations and different opinions.

Women certainly have different emotional connections and psychological makeups <which are also formed by their social background> which lend them to being more interested and more attending to certain issues than man, but to say that a man or a woman is better at something simply because of their particular gender is not even logical.

And becareful basing some decisions based on size. I know a woman <Jennifer> she is 6'4" 265 lbs, a BIG woman, she's not 265 fat, she's just a big person...I'll bet she could handle a 80 lb jackhammer with just about anyone on the planet...and if you think she couldn't maybe you should talk to her 6'8" 335 lb husband (No bullshit, real real nice couple) <now how can I get their kids boys and girls on my football team>.

Dammit Northcat. I thought I could go all friggin day without learning something, and now you had to go and screw that all up !! If I actually wanted to learn something, this would be the last place I would be hanging out. If you feel compelled to Edumacate -- go somewhere else and do it!!.

Now my damn head hurts from all this thinkin and shit !!

BASTARD !!! .


BTW -- I spoke to your wife and she said she'd let you have your tallywhacker back tonight -- since you were such a nice and sensitive little boy and Soooo in touch with your feminine side!

[Craig Tucker]

If one was to eliminate the physical differences of strength and speed

Well we were asked for differences so that was the 2 I quoted. And the only 2 really that can be sensibly put forward without being sexist. It is fact that the fastest and strongest men on the planet are faster and stronger than the fastest and strongest women. However there are also many instances in sport where men are better than women where there is no real requirement for speed or strength. This is not conjecture but can be measured in competition, for example, darts, snooker/pool, chess, golf, (some strength yes but mainly technique), bowls, shooting. The best of the best always seem to be men, I guess you would expect this statistically due to the numbers that participate. But I cannot think of a single sport where men and women both compete where the best in the field is a woman.

[Craig Tucker]

I agree that men are better in sports but what about things like parenting or science etc.

Name 5 of the greatest scientists ever, and what they did.
Go ahead, expand the list to TEN if you want.
Are any of them women? I doubt it.

Just a thought. Not picking any side here.

Marie Curie ?

[Ripper2860]

Louise Pasteur ?

[ViRaL1]

Marie Curie?

[Craig Tucker]

Marie Curie?

Look up 3 posts

[ViRaL1]

I can't be arsed to read previous posts. I'm not here to read, I'm here to contribute. :P

[bigmicka]

for example, darts, snooker/pool, chess, golf, (some strength yes but mainly technique), bowls, shooting.

take your golf example you have Michelle Wei who just missed the cut in the Hawaiian open last week against the men, she is only 15 but im guessing in a few years will be spanking some of the men all ver the park.

in chess there are quite a few female grand masters including one 16 year old Australian girl who is taking it to the guys in the open ranks.cant remember her name.

if you have ever watched ESPN you might have seen some of the pool and 9-ball comps they have on and the female competitors are quite competative. even at my local The East brunswick hotel women quite regularly win the pool competition(they do have a comp every night)

ok in darts there are not that many femal competitors i know of but for a sport where its mainly played in pubs with other men and known to have competitors with flatulence problems, can you blame them for not playing?

but what we have here is a primarily male argument trying to keep the gender inequality favourably on the male side. its time as men we got over this particular fault and understand that women can do alot of the work men do and men can do alot of the work that women do. there is no point in fighting it.

mic

[thecoalman]

I agree that men are better in sports but what about things like parenting or science etc.

Name 5 of the greatest scientists ever, and what they did.
Go ahead, expand the list to TEN if you want.
Are any of them women? I doubt it.

Just a thought. Not picking any side here.

I'd have to disagree with that, men were given the chance to be the best scientist's. I still think that's true today.

[lordsmurf]

I think it has more to do with how women want to UNDERSTAND problems, while men want to SOLVE problems.

[bigmicka]

and now you cant have that pee standing up argument either.

Girls-only urinals hit Australia

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2005/01/19/1106074829825.html

Women, rejoice! One of the last bastions of gender inequality is about to be banished and with it the long, long line for the ladies' loos.

And while it might not be every gal's cup of tea, the organisers of this year's Big Day Out concert in Melbourne reckon the girls-only urinal will get a standing ovation.

The Shee Pee, as its affectionately known in Europe, will make its Australian debut at this year's Melbourne event in a bid to cut loo queues and offer women a more hygienic option to conventional toilets.

And while organisers agree it might take some a little practice, they believe women will quickly adapt to the idea of peeing while standing.

"After the huge success of the female-only urinals at the Glastonbury music festival in Britain last year, we thought it was definitely a service that women at the Big Day Out in Melbourne would really appreciate," Big Day Out promoter Vivian Lees said.

The Shee Pees concept works thanks to a disposable, leak-proof paper funnel which gives women the freedom to stand.

The funnels can also be used to avoid sitting on conventional toilets, which will also be provided at Melbourne's Big Day Out.

The funnels, called P-Mates, are distributed in Australia by Small World Enterprises.

Company spokesman Kees de Jong said it was "simple to use" with pants, skirts and dresses, however P-Mate hostesses would be on hand to offer guidance where it was needed.

"The P-Mate is a convenient, hygienic, discreet solution to the long queues and other problematic circumstances which confront women, particularly at large events," he said.

The Shee Pee and P-Mate were first used at music festivals in the Netherlands and featured at the Glastonbury festival for the first time last year.

Big Day Out organisers said the stand-up option could be rolled out across the country if the trial is successful at Melbourne's January 30 event.

Big Day Out festivals are held across Australia every year in Sydney, Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne and on the Gold Coast.

[Shadowmistress]

This just HAD to be thought up by a man.

[tekkieman]

What's the big deal? In Korea, they had multi-gender/multi-user bathrooms. Several stalls when required, but other than that, men and womem together would just use the giant trough (yes, at the same time).

When you gotta go....

[ZAPPER]

Ain't no doubt about it men and women are different. I wouldn't want it any other way. To try to compare them on the same feild is not really fair or maybe even possible. To use physical examples is hard to do. Consider that the average man has more mass and more height. This will in most cases give him the mechanical advantage when competing in a physical type event. But in like say a typing contest I would guess that there could be a good race. Who can add numbers in their head faster? I would guess that at about 11 years old the gals have this race won, but at 40? How about reading and language skills? Or what about music?

I like a woman that can fend for herself, but I don't think I want one that can out work me with a Jack hammer (which by the way is more of a fineness tool than most would realize[ there are techniques and stratagies involved in its' efficeint use]). You got to be smarter than the average chunk of concrete

[thecoalman]

What's the big deal? In Korea, they had multi-gender/multi-user bathrooms. Several stalls when required, but other than that, men and womem together would just use the giant trough (yes, at the same time).

When you gotta go....

I've been im clubs and have seen chicks (edit:....uh women) do that.

[tekkieman]

I've been im clubs and have seen chicks (edit:....uh women) do that.

It's just nature, we're adults (most of us), and we were probably too drunk to care.

[sacajaweeda]

I've yet to meet a woman that can piss out a camp fire.

[mrtristan]

Men have adam's apples. We win.

[thecoalman]

I've yet to meet a woman that can piss out a camp fire.

Must be one of those city slicker camp fires if anyone can piss it out.

[Craig Tucker]

take your golf example you have Michelle Wei who just missed the cut in the Hawaiian open last week against the men, she is only 15 but im guessing in a few years will be spanking some of the men all ver the park.

I am sure she will be, in fact I am sure some of the best women can regularly beat some of the good male golf pros on the circuit. But can the best woman beat the best man and win a Major.

in chess there are quite a few female grand masters including one 16 year old Australian girl who is taking it to the guys in the open ranks.cant remember her name.

But has a woman ever been regarded as the best chess player in the world, this is what I am talking about. In a game such as this I see no reason why a woman should not be world champion, and not just competitive with the men.

if you have ever watched ESPN you might have seen some of the pool and 9-ball comps they have on and the female competitors are quite competative.

Again quite competative is not the best, if these quite competative women were men they would probrably be considered as good professional players but not in the top league.

but what we have here is a primarily male argument trying to keep the gender inequality favourably on the male side. its time as men we got over this particular fault and understand that women can do alot of the work men do and men can do alot of the work that women do. there is no point in fighting it.

I am not trying to promote gender inequality, far from it. But when talking of the best of the best, males still seem to come out on top, even when there seem no physical reson why this should be the case. There are women out there who I am sure could kick my ass, but this would be a fairly low percentage of women but by saying that you can not say women or men are better. You need to pit the elite against the elite and lets face it when it comes to physical activities women have a distinct disadvantage.
At this moment in time I cannot think of a sport (where physique is not an issue) where the best in the world is a woman. I am sure this must historically be down to the levels of participants being heavily favoured to the men, as more women compete with the men in these sport I am sure the balance will shift.

[northcat_8]

I think the difference everyone is hung up on is the #1 male vs the #1 female in whatever field.

Michelle Wei for example, while she may be getting her ass kicked on the PGA tour, she did finish ahead of 7 or so men...which means she would finish way ahead of any of us.

This topic is being debated by all men, with the exception of an occasional comment by SM, and we as men are restricting the playing field by limiting the areas of importance to our own areas of importance...like science, math, construction, sports, etc. While I do not debate those areas to be important, I also think it is worth noting that females have not been allowed to participate in such fields for the length of time that men have.

Seems to me that as things are right now, some of the most influential men were people like Newton, Einstein, etc. Last time I checked in the day and age they were born, they were birthed by a woman, and raised by a woman. The male's role in the family structure was hunter/gatherer, providing for the family, not to raise the kids, that responsibility fell on the woman. So one could argue that the very social upbringing of Newton and Einstein is what formed their thought processes, what formed their interests and was the foundation of all of their accomplishments.

While it is true that men are stronger and faster than women, I've yet to see a man have a baby, how many men breast fed their kids?

Now with all that being said, I do not think a female president is something that should happen, not to make this political but the psychological makeup of a female is one of understanding, sensitivity and emotion. 99% of all decisions should not be made in an emotional state. Rational thought, systematic processing of data weighed against plausible results or ramifications are what is needed when decisions that affects that many people are going to be made.

And just one other thought on this deal, the world was a better place when women stayed home with the children. A time before the 2 income family. Mothers helped kids with homework, kept track of them after school, there was always someone home to answer to if you were late. In 2005 that is not the case, more and more homes are 2 income families, more women in the work force means fewer parents at home. Kids running amuck after school until 5-6 pm, education performance is down, behavior problems are up. Divorce is rampid and we all know what that is....women in the workforce = more men trying to get some, husband starts taking wife for granted, she gets bored, feels lonely/unappreciated and pretty soon she's bangin some guy at work because he's giving her a little attention. It's bound to happen, you know it, I know it, hell it's almost inevitable. I point back to men not having the warm caring psychological make up of the female We forget, let it slide, other things are more important...but those things aren't more important to her.

I know I've went on for a while now, but goddamn, when is enough enough? I work in a public school in a blue collar city. We did a statistics project before christmas break and while the kids did one, I did my own so I could use it to illustrate the things they needed to do. I surveyed 86 students in 3 classes grades 9-12. 50 kids have no one at home when they get out of school. 23 kids have 2 parents who both work 2nd shift, who only get to see their parents on the weekends 62 kids have broken homes. Now while that data is odd, I think, let me list these behavior models, in these 3 classes I have:

3 kids have been arrested at least once for stealing cars
6 kids have been arrested for armed robbery
12 kids for drug possession and a few for distribution
18 kids been arrested for vandalism
60 who have been suspended from school
all in all 57 of the 86 have some kind of arrest on their record already.
63 who use drugs on a regular basis <2 or more times per week>
72 who list friends above parents as being the most important people to them.
5 who plan on attending college.

and I'm suppose to teach them how to factor a polynomial they don't give a **** about that stuff, they are trying to raise themselves.

I don't understand why everyone wants the 2 income family...what difference does it make? If the mean family income rises so does the cost of living. Business realizes that if you have more money, they can charge more for the same service or product and you'll still buy it because now you have more money. It's you working in those businesses making those decisions to charge more in the first place.

Besides only the ignorant does not realize that you spend what you make.

I'm sorry for getting off on a rant there but damn , the family structure in America is a giant cluster-****, priorities have shifted to family income rather than raising a family, parents are selfish and immature and who is left to raise your kids? Me. The ******* teacher, I get to babysit your social misfit, who doesn't understand why using street slang might be offensive. I can tell you this much...if I could raise your kids the way I see fit, then when they turned 16 they would come back and beat your selfish punk ass for being a ****-up as a parent.

Rant Over. Now I get to go to some ******* meeting where they get to tell us the same shit they told us last month, that they told us the month before, hell the same thing they told us in Feb. 2000

I need a beer.

[Capmaster]

The Shee Pee, as its affectionately known ...

[Shadowmistress]

@northcat. Another fine post.

So far I've abstained from participating in this thread because I think that there can be no clear "winner" in the battle of the sexes. We are both the same, just with different strengths and shortcomings.

Although the average woman cannot usually weild a jackhammer, the average man would balk at having to go through pregnancy and labour. Who is stronger? Who cares? We each have a job to do and we do it.

Since you desire an obvious female's opinion, I'll state this: Although I will agree with you that society is in a sorry state of affairs, and that the double income family helped to create that, I will disagree with you on whether a woman would make a fine president. Now, I am not saying that a woman would make a better president, no, I'm saying that your chances would be roughly the same. Although it's true that a woman may be more emotional at times, consider the aggression caused by testosterone levels in things such as sporting events. That is viewed by women to be as silly as the emotional side of women seen by men.

I also believe that the double income family was inevitable since, at the time, there was so much female oppression going on. Had male ego's been a little more relaxed, and women treated with a little more respect and as equals rather than being just a posession, things would have turned out differently since there would have been no need for female "independance".

Some men have figured this out and the future is looking good for them and us. Some haven't figured it out and are doomed to repeat history's mistakes.

Again, there is no winner. That's like asking what's the best DVD player.

[Capmaster]

Good post northcat.

I agree that the world seemed to be a better place when the man worked, and the woman stayed home and raised the kids. Kids had a solid family structure and it didn't require two incomes to buy a car.

But don't forget that during those days we also all had the fear ...no, the certainty, that we could wake up one morning as a small part of a superheated, radioactive plasma cloud. That constant fear tended to worry the kids as well and I think they had more of a sense of "drawing in" to the comfort of the safe family they had. Dad would protect them from the evil Russians, after all.

[tompika]

Now, lemme see yo jackhammer...


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