HELP- I HATE THIS-

[kinneera]

I don't use Flask, DVDx, or AVIsynth for doing DVD rips, so unfortunately I can't give you any guaranteed help with these apps. That said, it is possible that one of them is converting your video to 23.976 fps by ignoring the 3:2 pulldown flag in the VOB (this is basically the same as enabling force film in DVD2AVI, the program I use). The effect will be that the output to TMPGEnc is already progressive. In this case you are correct - TMPGEnc should be set to non-interlaced and no deinterlace filter is necessary. Otherwise, leave it interlaced and set the field order to match what BitrateViewer tells you.

As for the formats, the issue of interlaced or not doesn't really correlate to the video system, PAL or NTSC. First, if you make a VCD, it is MPEG1 - which does not support interlacing anyway. In this case, make sure you use a deinterlace filter. If it is MPEG2 (SVCD), its basically up to you. If your source is progressive (ie film, which has been inverse telecined), you're probably best just setting the "3:2 pulldown on playback" option, which tells your DVD player to convert it back to 29.97 fps on the fly (for NTSC).

[VidGuy]

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On 2001-12-04 14:42:54, Sefy wrote:
VidGuy, don't know what to tell you, but, I never, not even ONCE have used Force Film, and all my VCD's come out wonderful!
can you explain it to me ?

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When you do VCDs, you drop from 480 to 240 lines and do all 30 frames - the drop from 480 to 240 effectively de-interlaces, but you might also do your own de-interlacing.

When you do SVCDs, which is my chosen poison (and even VCDs, if you're willing to do 24 fps VCDs), you want to convert back from the 30 fps to the original 24 fps that the movie was - Inverse Telecine does it, but the Forced Film works great usually for a DVD - then you encode the 24 frames, and for SVCD, you apply "3:2 pulldown" bits, which just tell the player to add the extra frames to do the 30 fps for NTSC. For VCD, I just burn a 24 fps VCD - most players play them fine.

This way, you get your bits spread across 24 frames instead of 30, AND you don't have any interlacing artifacts in SVCDs where you're using all 480 lines AND you don't have to de-interlace, which loses resolution.

Personally, I wouldn't turn a 24 fps VCD back into a 30 fps VCD - it just makes your vcd 20% bigger....

[VidGuy]

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On 2001-12-05 12:24:16, Sefy wrote:
bewley, my pleasure, I can't really say anything regarding the technicality, but all I said is from my experience, i've seen the result of 23.976 and 29.976 on the same movie which DVD2AVI reported was a Film, and I prefered the NTSC version of it, and the file size was the same by the way.

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The file size was always the same because it's 1150 kbits per second, regardless of whether there are 24 or 30 frames.

If a 24 fps VCD doesn't look good, it may be the player. They look really good on my setup. And remember, movie theatre's are playing the film at 24 fps, and I rarely hear anybody say that they should speed those up. If you spread 1150 kbits per second between 24 or 30 frames, you get more bits per frame with 24 frames, which allows higher resolution for the 24 frame version over the 30 frame version, even though they are the same file size.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not telling anyone to do anything - ultimately it all comes down to what works for you and what you like.

[Macros746]

I usually agree with Sefy when it comes to all things encoded but I have to say that I too prefer the forcefilm option. I find the overall quality to be slightly higher although I don't have any jittery issues either way.

Macros

[Sefy]

I guess it's all a matter of how it looks to you, cause i've only tried Force Film once just to see the diffrence, and I did not like it at all.

I'm not telling others what to do, I just for my own view, did not find any improvement in Film when used on VCD, maybe it is good for SVCD, but for VCD it's just not it for me.

[kinneera]

Hey, there's nothing wrong with that assessment. All we're trying to say is that from a purely technical standpoint, the 24 fps (force film or IVTC) should look better when properly done.

Interestingly, I just today encountered a problem for the first time with forced film. Apparently the DVD in question has an odd framerate glitch near the end, which caused terribly jerkiness and left interlacing in the image. So now I'm having to manually apply IVTC to it. Perhaps some of your bad experiences with force film have been a result of nonstandard telecining or even native 29.97 filming (you mentioned old cartoons, and it stands to reason that a lot of cartoons aren't really film source strictly speaking).

[SAFEDISKKILLER21]

Ok i made an XSVCD using shinzoons template (wanted mpeg2). But now how do i burn it??? i triee nero under svcd but im not sure of the options as i only hae experience with vcd's with normal options. my phillips 711 played for only 1 second and stopped. it seys on the site it shud play xsvcds. what settings in nero or other program.

[kinneera]

For non-standard stuff, VCDImager is the way to go.

[Sefy]

If you are using Nero, you can just tell it to turn off the Standard Compliance, it should ignore whatever your movie is encoded as.

[SAFEDISKKILLER21]

now i made a SVCD movie from DVD and it fit on 2 cds (about 2 hours). I own a Phillips DVD711 and it plays SVCD's fine but they wont fast foreward. How can i make them fast foreward (maybe the Scandata.dat has something to say). If it for some reason is incapable of fast forewarding them then how can i make chapters. Sefys DVD2AVI guide aND svcd TEMPLATE but i selected CBR and lowered it to 1300. Thanx

[SAFEDISKKILLER21]

NOBODY KNOWS??

[Sefy]

How are you Burning those SVCD files ? and doing chapters is rather easy, you can use TSCV or VCDEasy, and you can even use those two to burn a fully compliant SuperVCD disc.

[SAFEDISKKILLER21]

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On 2001-12-17 04:10:07, Sefy wrote:
How are you Burning those SVCD files ? and doing chapters is rather easy, you can use TSCV or VCDEasy, and you can even use those two to burn a fully compliant SuperVCD disc.

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but i already creAted the files in Tmpegenc, so can i just put them in the prog's and burn with nero?

[SAFEDISKKILLER21]

i downloaded TSCV and it looks like its will do the job. But i'm not sure what to do. I just want to put in my .mpg svcd files and to output one with like 30 or so chapters or a .bin file to burn with CDRWIn. Thanx

[Sefy]

It's very easy, just try following the TSCV - Chapters in my guide (All-In-One) and instead of importing chapters, you can tell TSCV to create chapters every specific amount of time.