Cutting a part of scene at the beginning of a Movie ??

[apalace]

Hallo everyone!
I tried to cut a short part of a scene from a movie at the start, the file is AVI ( Xvid ) but when I test the result and watch it, the part is still there and the scene starts from beginning, but it success when the Cutting is at the end. The tool I use is VirtualDub.

Is there any option in this tool wich stops givving this result ?

I hope that it is clear for you all about my problem.

But I'll write an example :
I have a movie in 2 Avi files,I open the second part of the movie using VirtualDub, and at the beginning is a part of a whole scene which I don't want it to be there, then I drag the bar to the start point of my wish ( but the scene didn't change yet ) to let the bad part go away from the scene, after that I select Start... Then I drag the bar to the end and select End... But after I save the file and watch it I notice that the scene starts from the beginning and not from the point I did.
But if I delete a part of a scene by draging the bar to the end point I want and then I select end, the part goes away... The problem is only when it is the start point.

I wish it is clear now.

Any comment please ?
Thanks in Advance!

[Tommyknocker]

It would make more since to me if you answer these questions:
1. Do you know how to use AviSynth?
2. How much time do you want to cut from the beginning of the second movie?

[apalace]

Thanks alot for the answer...

The answers are :

1- No I don't know about it and never used it.

2- only one time, just a short part like 20 seconds of a scene. That's all what I want to cut from the whole Avi file.

Thanks for any help!

[Tommyknocker]

Well, mark the beginning of the second movie, then mark the end of the part of the second movie you want edited out. If you did this part right, it will be highlighted on the time line at the bottom. If it is, press the Delete key, and save it as an AVI. The append the second movie to the first.

If you ever learn AviSynth, it is even easier.

[Gargoyle]

using virtualDub -
1- set "Mark in" at the beginning of the area you want to delete
2- set "Mark out" at the end of the area you want to delete
3- select Edit > delete: the selected area is removed from the clip

[apalace]

pressing the Delete key on the Keyboard ?? I didn't even know that doing this will delete the highlighted part. I'll try now and I hope it will move the unwanted part away.

Thank alot for your help!

About AviSynth I don't really know, but from what I see in the Guides I feel that it is hard to understand and difficult to use, I think it needs some script writing or something like that, or am I wrong ?

[Tommyknocker]

Yes, it needs a script you make in notepad. For your operation, you write one line of script, open it in Virtual Dub, save it and you're done.

[apalace]

The result is as the following :

Yes the part has been removed but I got a huge output Avi File, the original file size was only 700 mb, now the output of the saved file after removing that part is over 7 GB ...
Now I really need only to remove this short part from that file without changing anything about the size or the coding , how ? Is the AviSynth the only way for that ? If yes, what should I do exactly to remove the part ? What script line should I write and then how can I load it to VirtualDub ?

Thanks for any help or comment!

[reboot]

Open the avi, edit it, frameserve to your encoder.
If you want to save it as an avi, you can select Video, Compression, and choose a codec, then save the edited avi. The more compression a codec has, the smaller the avi will be. Divx/Xvid is probably best, however there are others than have even less loss of quality.

[apalace]

Thanks reboot for your answer.
I looked into the copression menu and I didn't find the xvid codec to select, because the original file was made with xvid, I found only DivX in VirtualDub , won't be a trouble if I save the file by choosing DivX and then join it with the first file wich is already coded with the xvid codec ?

How about the AviSynth to cut the unwanted part ? Isn't it better way to do this work ?

[reboot]

What do you want as a finished product?
If you just want an avi to watch on your computer, open it in virtualdub. Edit out the parts you don't want, select the DivX codec and save it somewhere.
If you want to make an (S)VCD or DVD, then do some research on "frameserving". You still open and edit the video in virtualdub, but you then use it to send the edited video directly to the encoder, without having to resave the avi anywhere.

For a 2 part video, open the first part, select Divx from the codecs, then select File, Append AVI segment, and open the second part. Edit the way you want it, then save it.
This will join the two parts together, minus the part you edited out, and you get a finished avi.
Again, if you want (S)VCD/DVD, then frameserve to your encoder instead of saving it, and if you're frameserving, don't bother with a compression codec.

[apalace]

Thanks for the answer.

What I want exactly is to convert the Avi ( XViD ) to DVD , but I have now two parts of the movie... I want now only to edit the second file by cutting a part from it, after that I'll join them together then convert them to a DVD ... Now the problem is that when I edited the second file and want to save it as a avi file, I didn't find xvid codec in VirtualDub I found only DivX, and it is a different codec than the first file ( XVid ) and when I want to join them maybe it won't give a good result I think, beside that DivX is a little less quality than xvid as far as I know.

I am sorry that I do this way this is because I am newbie and I follow only a guide here using few easy programms like TMPGen to convert the final avi file to DVD.

This is all what I want to do , but if using AviSynth to cut a part from an avi file is a better way, I'll do it , but I dont know what script codes should I type , I found something but I didn't understand what to change and what they mean this is the link that tells about the code https://www.videohelp.com/forum/userguides/99389.php#cut_join , and here is the code :

AVISource("d:capcap.avi") 
Trim(0,30000)+Trim(36000,65000)+Trim(71000,0)

What do this numbers mean ? the time I want to cut or what ?

Thanks to anyone who just type a hint or a comment!

[reboot]

I still think virtualdub is your answer, and so I'll spell it all out.
Open the first part of the movie in virtualdub.
Click File, Append AVI segment, and browse for the second part.
Edit out the parts you don't want.
Now frameserve to your encoder to preserve 100% of the current quality, and encode to dvd.
Author, burn.
Xvid is no better/worse than Divx really, and you would only be using a codec IF you really must save an interim avi.
If you have the room (yes, about 7 gig), then save the uncompressed avi, then encode, author, burn. The dvd size will be a result of the bitrate you choose to encode at, and has NOTHING to do with the physical size of the avi. A compressed 200k avi, or an uncompressed 7 gig avi can have the exact same running time.
Uncompressed avi is EXACTLY the same quality as the original. You only lose quality when you resave using a compression codec of some sort, xvid, divx, whatever.
Don't make this more complicated than it needs to be.
Open, join, edit, save, encode, author, burn. Period, or;
Open, join, edit, frameserve/encode, author, burn.

[apalace]

Thanks alot reboot for your answer.

My problem is that I don't know how to preserve to my encoder programm , I use TMPGen but I don't know how to preserve from VirtualDub, and the second thing that I want is a switchable subtitle , I have read a guide here that I take away the AC3 audio file from the Avi after joining the two parts, then I can put the encoded Avi to a m2v file and the subtitle file plus the AC3 audio file in the DVDAuthorGUI tool and it'll make them a DVD very easy. I did it yesterday but the problem is that I want to cut a very short part from the avi file before I do all this and without changing the size of them or the quality , and yes I don't have much space in harddisk , only 10 gb now left of 160 gb this is why I am looking now for using AviSynth to cut that part and see if the result is ok, but I don't know how to write the code for that.

Or if anyone knows a guide to do what I am looking for by using the easiest programms, I don't want to add Menu in the DVD , I only want to add 2 subtitles only, and I have the following :

- Movie as avi (xvid) in 2 files => I know how to join them, but I want to cut a short part in the second file and it is at the start.
- subtitle that match for this movie.
- AC3 audio file I extracted it from the Movie after I joined the two parts.
- TMPGen Pro programm.
- VirtualDub
- TMPGen DVD
- VobSub
- DVDAuthorGUI

That's what I have already . I am now really lost I don't know where to begin , I was following a guide yesterday and was nice and easy, but because this damn part that I want to remove from the file I now don't know what to do.

Thanks for help!

[reboot]

Join and edit as I mentioned.
Demux to get audio and video.
When you're ready to author, add your subs.
I explained how to do it without losing quality.
Do some research, and look up virtualdub frameserving. There's a couple of good guides, and it's easy to do.
You're trying to make this complicated.

[ZippyP.]

After you have edited the unwanted part and before you save, make sure that the audio and video are set to "direct stream copy". The file will be saved in it's original format.

Click here for Vdub frameserve guide.