So what are you saying?Originally Posted by Tom Roper
That the Panny stand alone DVD recorders have piss poor DVD burners or that the 2 different computer based DVD burners I have used are exceptionally error free burn perfect models?
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Originally Posted by FulciLives
Below are a couple of disk quality surface scans I made 2 days ago using the same media I.D., AN31 made in Hong Kong. The first burn was made on my E80h. The second burn was made on my desktop burner. The parity errors made by the E80H are fully 10x greater than those made by the desktop burner. But BOTH disks are within acceptable limits, so it is only illustrative.
*ALL* DVD players should be able to play disks that have sum8 parity inner errors below 280, sum1 parity inner fail errors below 5. And any disk with errors below those limits is considered passable, and should be playable in ALL players. But some burners may improve upon those limits by 10x or more, creating a disk that is is more tolerant of fingerprints, scratches, improper storage etc.
But when those limits are exceeded, SOME PLAYERS WILL STILL BE ABLE TO PLAY THEM seemingly without problem, where others will begin to experience freezes, skips and stutters.
This is the scan of a 1x burn made on media I.D. AN31 on the E80h Panasonic DVDR. It has parity errors more than 10x of the other burner, yet it should still be playable in ALL players.
The following scan was made on Plextor PX716UF on the same media.
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A better test to prove or disprove that the playback problems are caused by the authoring and not the burning:
1.) Burn a DVD-R on the Panasonic.
2.) Use a DVD-ROM drive to copy the Panasonic disk image to the PC.
3.) Use a desktop burner to Re-burn the Panasonic-authored disk image to another DVD disk.
Compare THAT disk to the one burned on the Panny, or compare it to the one authored with TMPGEnc DVD Author. -
Originally Posted by Tom RoperPinnacle Studio 8 and DV home video editing (ver.9 already home)
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Using DVD Shrink or TDA (and prior to Shrink/TDA's existance, some rather nasty arcane methods) has been a staple trick for Panasonic owners as far back as I can remember ... mid/late 2002 or so when the standalones were being sold in stores at non-insane prices.
In effect ... re-authoring. This is not new to me at all. Not all of them showed this flaw, but a great many did. People often don't notice because they use the recorder as a player.
I get e-mails about this all the time: "My Panasonic discs quit working", etc. Once you get the discs on the drive, especially if you try to edit, you run into AC3 errors, as the Panasonic-generated AC3 streams are often flawed.
So there's another tip for you:
1.. If you want to edit the MPEG files, do it on the Panasonic. Or get another recorder if you want to edit on the PC with zero flaws.
2.. If your discs "quit working" then re-author in DVD Shrink or TDA. Merely re-copying to new media will not often fix there, as the error is an authoring flaw.Want my help? Ask here! (not via PM!)
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Originally Posted by donpedro
But the Panasonic authored disk played in 1 of your 3 players. If it was the authoring, why not 0 of 3?
Another of your tests was to rip the files from the Panasonic, re-author and burn with another burner. If it was the authoring you wanted to test, you needed to rule out the possibility the second burner was not simply making a more readable disk. In which case you should have copied...not ripped and re-authored because that changed 2 things at once. -
Originally Posted by Tom Roper
If I knew answer I would write it down long time ago.
Originally Posted by Tom RoperPinnacle Studio 8 and DV home video editing (ver.9 already home) -
Yes donpedro. I read your post(s). Can we talk about the substance?
Which to summarize, you laid out a scenario where two years ago you used a friend's E30 to copy one VHS tape. The DVD you burned did not play on your Daewoo 5800, or one other un-named player but did play on a 3rd. You concluded that the authoring was bad because you were able to get it to play when you re-authored. Above, you postulated the reason why, that it is your guess that the chips used in 2 players can handle something 1 player can't.
Meanwhile in one of the threads you linked, shhas stated that a disk burned on his DMR80 would not play in the Daewoo 5800 but did play in 5-6 others. Another poster, bobinga stated that his Daewoo will not play disks burned with his E50, but that he took it to Circuit City where it played well in 3 different players.
If you add those observations to your own:
1.) E30/E50/E80 authored disks played well in 10/13 players
2.) E30/E50/E80 authored disks did not play in 3/13 players
3.) Of the 3 named players not playing all were Daewoo 5800!
Edit: The above list is not complete. One guy cited an Apex player and another guy cited a portable DVD player as incompatible. Still another guy cited disks burned with his E20 was compatible with both Daewoo 5800 and 5900. Still another guy cites E55 is compatible with Apex. -
Anybody check this one out?
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Posted: Nov 12, 2003 22:19
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I'm newbie here, but I just say:
I had a chance to "verify" a DVD-R which was made by E20 with using "DVD-VIDEO Verifier" which is released from DVD Forum to ensure that data and disc structure meet the DVD-VIDEO spec.
The answer is: THERE IS NO ERROR.
So I think problem is NOT the Panasonic recorder's authoring software. -
DVD-Video Verifier...$500
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Originally Posted by Tom Roper
Some time ago I came to same conclusion...
Let me finish our discusion with this... we can't blame all the issues on media quality or compability or high bittrate. There is more to itPinnacle Studio 8 and DV home video editing (ver.9 already home) -
Originally Posted by donpedro
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Folks, with your permission I'd like to retract that last comment, fold my cards and acknowledge that donpedro is right.
I received a private email that offered the assurance I sought to confirm the authoring issue. While I haven't noticed it, most of the disks burned from recordings made with it were in fact re-authored using TMPGEnc DVD Author. -
Originally Posted by zorankarapancev
So how much of an issue is using XP mode when playing the DVDr's on other recorders going to be? I have one Panasonic DVD player and one JVC. Would the XP recorded DVDrs likely play ok on the Panasonic DVD player I have or am I simply asking for trouble using XP mode? -
Originally Posted by ann coates
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If you don't have trouble with XP mode, why do you even bother with this issue ? As soon as you come across that problem, you know now how to fix it.
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Well, I don't know if I have trouble with XP mode, I've never made a DVDr using it. I just recorded some video dubs to my hard drive using XP mode and they looked quite a bit better than SP mode. That's all I know. As far as now knowing how to fix it, as I said, I don't have a PC burner.
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Originally Posted by ann coates
So just buy one.
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Originally Posted by FulciLives
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ann coates,
I think that we have spent enough time explaining that the XP recording mode CAN be a problem for SOME of the DVD players (budget category). As donpedro said:
If you don't have trouble with XP mode, why do you even bother with this issue ?
On your comment:
Well, I don't know if I have trouble with XP mode, I've never made a DVDr using it.
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Originally Posted by zorankarapancev
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Finally I got some time to put my hands on the new Panasonic DMR- ES10S.
And now some tips and tricks with for this recorder :
1. To use or not to use an LP mode of recording? If you need to record anything between 2 and 3 hours use FR mode of recording. You will get same SP resolution with less digital artifacts. LP mode is fine for recordings images without fast motions.
2. Be careful with the new DNR recording filter. If you record videotapes with excellent picture quality turn the filter OFF. When the VHS tape has occasional problems, set the filter on AUTO (this would be the most appropriate setting for general recordings). Make the setting ON only with the exceptionally troublesome VHS tapes.
3. Stay away from XP recordings if you want to use those recorded discs in the budget class DVD players. You will get occasional stuttering and even freezing of the picture. Panasonic still uses its proprietary hardware and software, which are well known for this kind of performance.
4. The remote control unit from the previous Panasonic generation DVD recorders also works with the new models in full capacity and without any problem.
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If you have the PAL version of the Panasonic DMR-ES10 recorder you can change PAL-NTSC recording systems if you wish. Select factory PAL preset when connecting to PAL or Multi-system TV screen and when you want to record from PAL equipment. At this setting, programs recorded from NTSC equipment will play as PAL 60. Select NTSC if you want to record from NTSC source (VHS or DVD players) and when you are connected to an NTSC TV set.
Instruction for changing PAL to NTSC system:
1. While the recorder is stopped press "FUNCTIONS".
2. Press “UP/DOWN” symbols to select “TO OTHERS” and press “ENTER”.
3. Press “UP/DOWN” to select “SETUP” and press “ENTER”.
4. Press “UP/DOWN” to select “CONNECTION” and press “>” (“RIGHT”).
5. Press “UP/DOWN” to select “TV SYSTEM” and press “ENTER”.
6. Press “UP/DOWN” to select the TV system and press “ENTER”.
7. Press “<” , “>” (“LEFT”, “RIGHT”) to select “YES” and press “ENTER”.
8. To exit the screen press “RETURN” several times.
Another simpler way to change PAL to NTSC setting:
- While the machine is stopped, press and hold “STOP” and “OPEN/CLOSE” buttons on the main unit at the same time for about 5 seconds.
People who travel around the world or are in the business of dubbing and converting VHS tapes and DVD’s may find this option useful. Unfortunately, for some reason it is not available in the NTSC version of this recorder sold in North America. -
This feature is also available in the version sold in Latin America.
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zorankarapancev: I read your post on setting the HYBRID VBR RESOLUTION to fixed for the E60, can this be done on the ES10? I can't find the setting. Also, can bitsetting or booktype be reset for the +R media to DVD-Rom so that it will play on my friend's standoalone?
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...setting the HYBRID VBR RESOLUTION to fixed for the E60, can this be done on the ES10?
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I'm not sure what the brand is, it's an older model and won't play +R media unless I set the booktype to DVD-Rom. Unfortunately (for him), most of my media is +R (my preference). +R media won't play on my work computer either, a year old Dell with some kind of NEC DVD combo drive.
I love children, girl children... about 16-40
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The ES10 apparently automatically sets the booktype of +R media to DVD-Rom and plays on all the computers and standalones that I mentioned. Nice feature.
I love children, girl children... about 16-40
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Zoran, Great tips! Since this thread was started before the Dmreh-50S came out I wonder how much of the information you & others posted apply to this newer model.
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