Which is best to burn? Nero or DVDDecrypter?

[Nilfennasion]

Never seen that in my copy of Nero Express. Then again, mine was included free with my DVD burner. Need I say more?

[tompika]

No, we're cool...

[AlecWest]

But, on video DVDs, the anecdotal evidence of a redbook compatability problem using Nero is pretty hard to ignore.

There are some errors in your post AlecWest and I'd like to correct a couple

DVD R is standard ECMA, not Red Book. Red Book is CDDA (basic audio CD) plus some basic extensions. Nothing to do with DVD

Thanks much. That will teach me to assume that people who post comments to DVD Player guides know what they're talking about (blush). See below:

The ONLY problem Nero had writing DVD's was in the 5.5x versions. The fix at that time was to force UDF 1.02.

Again, thanks. Nero 5.5 is exactly what I've got. It came with the DVD burner I bought (ulp) just three months ago. BTW, I noticed that Bazooka mentioned UDF earlier ... and in opening up my Nero 5.5, I notice two UDF choices in the compilation type window:

1) DVD-ROM (UDF)
2) DVD-ROM (UDF/ISO)

Both choices have UDF "tabs" which allow you to force UDF 1.02. To burn a video DVD, does it matter which of the two choices above are chosen? I'll probably continue using DVDdecrypter ... but if Nero 5.5 is still being put in burner boxes, it would be a nice thing to know.

BTW, I couldn't help but notice that the rant in the DVD player guide posted above was written in 2002 ... and the Nero version he was talking about was certainly an older version. Still, 5.5 was in my burner box ... and it's probably being put in other burner boxes even today (sigh).

Part of the problem with Nero may be that the user is confronted with a number of choices. For me it is bloatware. To big and tries to do too many things.

The only reason I used Nero in the past was because it was included with every CD burner I've ever bought ... and with the DVD burner (my first) I bought 3 months ago. I've never known or used any other burning method. But now I'm using DVDdecrypter, I probably won't be going back ... except for burning non-video type media.

Thanks for enlightening me. I really appreciate it.

[winifreid]

I used to use Nero for all my burning, but then I compared kprobe scans from the same movie burned with decrypter. Both burns were within the limits of a good burn, but the decrypter scans had about 30% fewer errors. This may not matter since they both were good burns. But in those cases where 30% could make the difference between a playable disk and a coaster, then burn with decrypter.

[AlecWest]

I used to use Nero for all my burning, but then I compared kprobe scans from the same movie burned with decrypter. Both burns were within the limits of a good burn, but the decrypter scans had about 30% fewer errors. This may not matter since they both were good burns. But in those cases where 30% could make the difference between a playable disk and a coaster, then burn with decrypter.

Thanks. What version of Nero burned the disks you checked?

[winifreid]

5.5

[bazooka]

I use Nero 6.6.0.3 with no problems

[lordsmurf]

AlecWest .... it's just as you said.
Most people that leave reviews online are totally off base. Other choice words: stupid, ignorant, clueless, dumb, arrogant, stubborn, unrealistic, inexperienced.

You have to learn how to discern quality from the rabble.

[RickTheRed]

I have made several tests with both software:
Test procedure:
Take one big ISO dvd image.
Hard disk defrag
Burn the ISO file with Decrypter and Nero with a Pioneer 108 on same media.
Tested both disk with cd/dvd speed quality test (pi/pif).
Results?: equivalent.

I did the same thing with Decrypter (ISO) and Nero (Video files). This time I have found that Decrypter has much better results (less pi/pif).
I try to only burn ISO image with either decrypter or Nero.

[AlecWest]

AlecWest .... it's just as you said.
Most people that leave reviews online are totally off base. Other choice words: stupid, ignorant, clueless, dumb, arrogant, stubborn, unrealistic, inexperienced.

You have to learn how to discern quality from the rabble.

You're correct, of course. But when you're a NOOB to DVD burning (like me), it can be an uphill battle. FWIW, I found (and enjoyed) the "What is the best way to shut up a newbie?" thread started by Bazooka. Someone suggested to just point them to a guide. Ahem. And so the newbie goes to the guide, gets misinformed but doesn't know it, spreads the misinformation like it was gospel, and incorporates the misinformation into their own practices.

When I was in grammar school, I had a math teacher who'd walk up to kids when they got a math problem wrong and say, "If you didn't understand the problem, why didn't you ask for help?" This assumes the child stumbled through the problem hoping to get it right. It does not assume the alternative ... that the child was convinced he was doing the problem correctly and saw no need to ask for help.

I suspect the solution lies in "mileage" ... being around here long enough to discern fact from fiction.

But (grin) I'm still gonna use DVDdecrypter.

[AlecWest]

I did the same thing with Decrypter (ISO) and Nero (Video files). This time I have found that Decrypter has much better results (less pi/pif). I try to only burn ISO image with either decrypter or Nero.

So burning an ISO image, regardless of the software type, appears to be the key. Interesting, and thanks.

[bazooka]

FWIW, I found (and enjoyed) the "What is the best way to shut up a newbie?" thread started by Bazooka.

You could have just ignored my tone in that thread. I was just blowing off steam.

Sorry. Threadjack over.

There is no right or wrong way to burn dvd's. Everyone has their own way of doing it. That was the point I was trying to get across. It is very subjective.

[jimmalenko]

FWIW, I found (and enjoyed) the "What is the best way to shut up a newbie?" thread started by Bazooka. Someone suggested to just point them to a guide. Ahem. And so the newbie goes to the guide, gets misinformed but doesn't know it, spreads the misinformation like it was gospel, and incorporates the misinformation into their own practices.

The guides are there for a reason - it saves typing out pages and pages of information and making screen caps every time that particular question is asked.

Unless you know something to be true, don't spout it as gospel. Say "I have read that ...". Someone will soon tell you you have benn misinformed in a civil manner, as opposed to people like this one, who spout stuff as gospel, and get caned when they refuse to accept the truth from people who know.

[AlecWest]

Unless you know something to be true, don't spout it as gospel. Say "I have read that ...".

That is exactly what I did in the thread that, according to Naith, spawned this thread:

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=251011

Someone will soon tell you you have benn misinformed in a civil manner, as opposed to people like this one, who spout stuff as gospel, and get caned when they refuse to accept the truth from people who know.

Good example. I hope my queries on VideoHelp.com have been seen as adult, civil, and rational ... and that no one will ever feel the need to send me to this guide (grin):
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=244978

You could have just ignored my tone in that thread. I was just blowing off steam.

I really meant what I said ... that I enjoyed the thread. I certainly took no offense. I may be a NOOB to DVD burning but not to VideoHelp.com. In early 2002, with a 450mhz PII and 128megs RAM, I called the Kim Komando show (an online/radio computer "expert") to ask her if my system was powerful enough to capture and burn VCDs. She laughed and said there was no way. I signed on with VCDhelp.com in March ... and in a short time I was capturing (via Dazzle) and burning (Nero) VCDs right and left ... even doing an NTSC-to-PAL conversion on a VCD so I could mail a convention seminar I captured to a friend in the U.K.

But, I realize that the difference between VCD authoring and DVD authoring is like the difference between riding a bike and driving a car and I expect a little hazing during my "initiation" period. So, no offense taken at all.

[Nilfennasion]

She laughed and said there was no way.

The first rule of diagnosing what a computer can and cannot do: make sure the damned thing is sitting in front of you, turned on.

[bazooka]

The first rule of diagnosing what a computer can and cannot do: make sure the damned thing is sitting in front of you, turned on.

Very true

[Nilfennasion]

Someone will soon tell you you have benn misinformed in a civil manner, as opposed to people like this one, who spout stuff as gospel, and get caned when they refuse to accept the truth from people who know.

We need to save that one for posterity, in order to show why we frown upon thread hijacking, methinks.

[jimmalenko]

Someone will soon tell you you have benn misinformed in a civil manner, as opposed to people like this one, who spout stuff as gospel, and get caned when they refuse to accept the truth from people who know.

We need to save that one for posterity, in order to show why we frown upon thread hijacking, methinks.

I'll add it into my favorites for "future reference" ...

[offline]

She laughed and said there was no way.

The first rule of diagnosing what a computer can and cannot do: make sure the damned thing is sitting in front of you, turned on.

You MUST have been in the PC service industry at some stage

[jimmalenko]

She laughed and said there was no way.

The first rule of diagnosing what a computer can and cannot do: make sure the damned thing is sitting in front of you, turned on.

You MUST have been in the PC service industry at some stage

Never approach a PC thinking "This will only take 5 minutes"

[Nilfennasion]

You MUST have been in the PC service industry at some stage

As a matter of fact, the job I have held onto for the longest period of time (a whopping 13 months) was as a general maintenence/computer-problem-solver type. It was a classic example of how private industry does not necessarily do things better.

[northcat_8]

Decrypter for DVD video

Nero for music and data.

I only burn ISO images for DVDs and I only burn with Decrypter.