Backup DVD9 To DVD9 using DVD Decrypter Advice Sought

[aussteve]

A happy new year to all............
I have recently lashed out and bought a Sony DRU710A Dual Layer with the idea of backing up the collection but have had a bit of grief. I have an earlier model Sony DVD Player DVPS 535P which is fussy with media and unfortunately does not respond to corporal punishment so I will have to beg advice.
Originally I was able to use a combination of AnyDVD software and Clone DVD to produce 4.7 size backups on a Sony DRU510A. This combination was successful at that point.
The recent acquisition of the dual layer burner was to produce perfect copies of my originals and thats about as far as it got. I tried various flavours of Clone DVD (apparently there are two now, one by Elby and the other by Slysoft) with poor results, attempted to use AnyDVD 4301 with both the above and just had failures or freezing problems. I then used AnyDVD 4301 and Nero6603, current versions, and had the following success: it burned fine, wont play in my earlier player but seems to play perfectly in later model players.
In addition to the above, one of my friends gave me a test movie he compiled on 4.7 gig dvdr using DVD Decryptor, DVDtoOne, and Nero which plays perfectly on my early machine.
So, I am looking for opinion and advice as to using Decryptor and Nero to produce DVD9 to DVD9 in terms of settings and perhaps the experience of others that may make me less inclined to threaten my equipment with unreasonable harm.
All the best
Steve
P4 3.0 Ghz 1024Meg Ram 7200 Drive DRU710 in external drive box with firewire interface running Xp Pro SP2

[jimmalenko]

I'd say DVDDecrypter ISO Read / ISO Write is all you need to look at ( guides here and here), and that media may be part of the problem with your older DVD Player

[aussteve]

Many thanks for your reply, will give it a go. I presume that the image created by Decryptor has the css removed? Just curious

[jimmalenko]

Many thanks for your reply, will give it a go. I presume that the image created by Decryptor has the css removed? Just curious

Yep, spot on. That's what a ripper does

[guns1inger]

Bitset as well. Older players are more likely to choke on +R media, which most DL media is. Bitset to DVD-ROM and you are more likely to be successful.

[aussteve]

Thanks also for this advice.
I have gone through the Decrypter settings and cannot find the bitset area that you suggest. Any chance of directions for the challenged? ie me
Am interested to try this as I did the iso thing completely within decrypter and it worked smoothly although it will not play in the standalone as expected. I read a good article in the tutorials suggesting that this may have something to do with a version or standard called UDF 1.02 which is recognized in the earlier players but has been changed to UDF 1.05, which is not. The next experiment is to rip the disc with Decrypter to the drive and then try nero to burn specifying the above file standard ie 1.02
Your thoughts and advice have both been appreciated
Steve

[Mavrick]

In addition to DVD+R, +RW, -R, -RW and CD-R, -RW media. MP3, DivX, VCD, SVCD, XSVCD, XCD, and Picture CD formats…

Older DVD Players in general may have problems with Dual Layer Media.
If you look on the back cover of one of your original Dual Layer Movies it will say...

"Dual-Layer Format: Layer transition may trigger slight pause. Some players may not be able to access all features."

I had an older RCA RC5240p DVD Player that would play the DVD+R backup movies, but it would tend to skip and jerk from time to time.

I went out and got a New Phillips DVP642 Player and it has played everything I have thrown at it. Best part is it was an inexpensive player at $69.00 at Wal-Mart.
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[tim6661234]

There is a bit setting function in DVDDecrypter, to the right of where you specify the burn speed. You' don't need any other app. Just read and burn thats the great thing about Dl media. What's not so good is compatibility levels so bit setting is a must. That gets passed the disc being recognised on some player but there can still be problems at the layer break so you have to watch the whole movie to be sure the player works.

[aussteve]

The Experience Continues.......
My current attempt consists of using Decrypter to copy the dvd backup to File, then dragging the file into Nero and burning as UDF 1.02, which is apparently the earlier standard likely to be recognized by my player.
I have attempted the above but when I used Decrypter to copy to file I expected two folders to appear in the destination directory, ie VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS.
What I got was 41 vob and bup files totalling 7 gig which is the size you would expect. 8)
I could simply load all these files into a folder, call it VIDEO_TS and drag it into nero for burning, but am unsure whether it will work at all or alternatively with no sound, since the AUDIO_TS folder is not present.
Due to the high cost of the new media I thought it wise to seek advice first

Far from being the expert in this area, can someone perhaps tell me what i have done wrong here? Is there a particular setting in Decrypter that results in the file creation that I am looking for perhaps?

Any advice is greatly appreciated

Steve

[tim6661234]

You have done nothing wrong you do not get 2 sets of folders when you rip a dual layer. I think you would be better off with dvd dycryper than Nero as I've heard it doesn't deal with the layer break that well. Doing an ISO read followed by write should result in keeping the layer break as it is in the original, this is also an attribute in the config files (like the capter points etc).

As for the UDF settings I believe the DVD standard is for 1.02 so you shouldn't use anything else. If your not using the DVD Video template in Nero I'm not sure how it handles the layer break.

The audio_TS is usually empty just means the audio tracks are in the VOB's. This is also usual.

[aussteve]

Hey Tim, thanks for the advice.
I tried to drag the folder into nero and burn in udf 1.02 as suggested by an article on this site, but with no success. If i keep persisting the cost of blanks will equal a new player
I will put it down to the old intellectual exercise and upgrade the player when possible, and many thanks to those who spent the time to reply
Cheers
Steve 8)

[aussteve]

I just thought I would give the bitset change method a try for testing purposes ie burn the iso image in Decrypter and change the write format to dvd rom in the dialogue settings. Masochism was always my weak point.

Regardless, I am using the Sony dru710a dual layer, which identifies as a lite-on OEM. When i open the book settings dialogue in Decrypter it has no Sony tab but it does present a Lite-On tab. Would it be a wild stab in the dark to assume that all the present tabs are the only real manufactures of the burners and the variety we experience is just renaming and distributing?

So I would then select the liteon tab to cover my sony burner and venture into the wilderness?

Your advice most graciously received

Steve

[tim6661234]

Yes your Sony dirive is basically a badged Lite on

[RottenFoxBreath]

yeh thats right.im pretty sure the model that matches yours.i.eonyDRU710A=Liteon SOHW-1633S,so select that if possible.
one thing though,the new version of dvddecrypter is available,vers.3.5.2.0.
use that one,bitset for liteon,then select mode in dvddecrypter,ISO read,then to copy ISO -write.and that should be it.nero makes a layer break pretty much where it wants,and doesnt copy properly(as far as iso format in decrypter works even on a 3 year old LG thats uber picky with even -R media.)
also you could go here and look for a firmware update if you run into problems, http://forum.rpc-1.com/dl_firmware.php?download_id=1917
theres a new firmware,from around the 10th december.dont know if it will improve writing,some do ,some dont,but its worth it.and theres a link to a handy region free utility-(its called LtnRPC)
hope this helps.

[Denvers Dawgs]

hmm?

[tim6661234]

In ISO Write mode in the bottom right hand corner to the right of Write Speed: Max there is an icon that looks like a book

[Denvers Dawgs]

not in my version? V 3.1.4, so I need a newer version to bit set?

[RottenFoxBreath]

yes,get the newest one,vers.3.5.2.0.
if the writer you have isnt there,it may be either your writer doesnt need it(pioneer 108 et others),or it may be that the manufacturer has a utility for it.

[aussteve]

Thanks for the replies...........once more into the breach

Cheers

Steve

[logixrat.01]

I agree with the others, use the ISO format to read/write your backups. It is the quickest and easiest. Only about 20 minutes to rip, and another 40 minutes or so to burn (assuming you can hit 4x).

My only concern is the only dual layer discs I have seen are $25 for a 3-pack. That is a little over $8 per disc. That seems pretty expensive for a backup. Buying used originals on eBay, pawn shops, etc. would probably be cheaper.

Perhaps you found a better deal on DL media? I just did a quick search at Newegg. I have a Pioneer DVR-108 that is capable of burning DL discs at 4x and I am just drooling to try it out. But at that cost, it'll be a while for me.

[aussteve]

I could not agree with you more............
The method is successful and I am now satisfied that all attempts to adapt the new media to the early player have been exhausted, as well as my patience with it. So its a standalone upgrade which is probably not before time.
The media price is the problem as you observed. They sell for around 11.50 each australian with the lowest I have seen being 8.50 at swap meets, nonetheless still too pricey to have many failures even when experimenting for your own knowledge. Although one of the vendors assured me that something serious was going to change in the pricing in roughly a month, so we shall wait and see.
My thanks to all in the forum who took the time to improve my desolate knowledge in the subject 8)
Steve