VCD or DIVX !!!

[kinneera]

Just my 2c worth on compression...

Every one of the compression techniques we are talking about are lossy. Once its gone, you can't get it back, and it is definitely not as good quality as the original. Simple math tells you that Divx unequivocally HAS to have MORE artifacts than something with a higher bitrate, such as VCD or SVCD. The only question is where they are and how bad they are. Divx basically has less significant artifacts, but a whole lot more of them. Kind of like noise on a VHS tape...looks like sh*t when you compare it to clean video on a DVD, but you don't really think about it when its always there and with nothing to compare to.

Even for MPEG2, transparency (the point at which artifacts are completely invisible to the human eye, in theory) isn't achieved until 8-12 Mbps, meaning most DVDs don't even make the cut.

Finally, I'll take a subject stance: I've seen Divx, and I've never been impressed by any that fit on a single CD. I can see the blocks, they're usually blurrier, and a lot of people seem to decimate the framerate, which makes it really jerky and annoying as hell to watch.

[Sefy]

Yeah, I still got one, although I haven't used it in years
But it's quality is much higher then any DVD, cause it's not compressed

Digital is a pretty name, pity it's crap
Analog may sound dirty, but it looks better
People seem to forget DVD is from a higher quality Analog source, which isn't compressed

[Xer0cooL]

who said you can't play DivX with a great quality,
i have a AMD K6 266 MHZ w multimedia extension,
and a 48 mb ram, with an S3 ViRGE DX/GX 2mb and i can play every DiVX up to a resolution of 512x384 at aboout 275+kbytesps video with an MP3 Audio of 320Kbitps just great.

"DiVX is the MP3 of the Video World"

[moog]

Within 2 years I will not even consider VCD. DVD burners will be in my price range.

I find (sometimes) WMV 8 good on the PC. Some cases better then DIVX. Either way, my idea of entertainment is not to watch images on a tiny box within a tiny box. I can only tolerate trailers.

Frankly I'm starting to get tired of format changes. It's a good thing I purchased only two eight tracks in the early 80's.
Hell, I even have some stylus disc from selectavision. The betamax of videodisc.


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[Sefy]

Trust me, even when a FMD-RW comes out, i'd still be using VCD, cause it gives great quality for it's file size, and amazing compatibility, i'd be able to put whole seasons on a single CD.

[dumwaldo]

*note i consider it the same to play a vcd compliant mpg from your hard as it is to play the actual VCD.


wow alot has happend here in a day...

Sefy
hopefully tomorow i will have some time to try some tests and encode some DivX at the same bitrates as a vcd. i will post again what kind of results i find.

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how about VHS? that is the ONLY media that is 100% compatible. you keep praising VCD for its compatibility but that couldnt be further from the truth. VCD is wrought with compatibility issues. if it were not there would not be a need for the DVD player list on this site. you can not just burn a vcd and take it to your friends house. first you need to find out what kind of player he has and then you need to refr to this site and see what media his player supports if any written media. it took me a dissapointed room full of friends to find that one out.

in order to do VCD you need a cd burner ($100) and a dvd player ($100), so it will cost about $200 to set up to make and play vcd. in order to do DivX you need a scan converter ($100) and a vcr ($100) so it will cost about $200 to set up to make and play DivX. so it is about the same cost to set up to do either one. i wont even go into the versatility a DivX set up offers that VCD just can't do.

the notion that VCD is the most compatible way to move your digital video to a tv screen is without a doubt 100% incorrect. the most compatible way to take your video to the tv is VHS, always has been and always will be, and that is a fact.

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not being the most well versed in stand alone DVD players perhaps you could tell me how to get an NTSC specified player to play a PAL standard VCD. i was under the impression that was what reigon code hacks did. is it possible to play a PAL VCD in an NTSC player?



moog
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perhaps you might try holding the alt key and pressing enter next time you are watching one of those tiny boxes.




everybody
if you want to see an example of how good a single cd DivX can look all you need to do is download any JoeDivX rip. (tomorow i will see if i can post a sample for downloading)

it is simply a fact that it requires more power to play a DivX than a VCD... FACT... UNDISPUTABLE.

we all know there is no answer to the question what is better but discussions like this can yeild great rewards in education. to those of you that offerd something i didn't know thank you.

[xaanin]

Dumwaldo: You know there isn't alot of VCRs in Asia right? From what I know they almost only have VCDs there.

CD Burner can be used for alot of other stuff, and the DVD player to watch DVDs. The scan converter will only be used for watching DivX on your TV, and from what I've seen VCDs usually look better.

I believe most DVD players will play both NTSC and PAL, atleast mine will.

A computer monitor is still small compared to a TV.

And I know my 2 CD XVCD looks just as good as the 2 CD DivX it was made from, ok maybe lost alittle bit of quality, but that's something you always do when converting.

[Sefy]

dumwaldo, VHS loses quality on each playback time, VCD doesn't. compatibility with DVD Players isn't cause of VCD, it's cause of CDR media in nearly 99% of the cases, especialy if you buy a Sony

CD Burner 24x10x40 = 70$ and it's not JUST for VCD's i'm sure you'll agree on that one, after all, you burn your DivX too
And a Decent DVD Player can play now days: CDR/RW, MP3, S/VCD, DVD and of course AudioCD, amazing DivX isn't on the list huh ?

VHS Quality sucks the first time, and only gets worse the more you watch it, VCD stays the same and has higher quality, especialy if it's a commercial VCD, and compatibility, well, as far as I know, US VHS players don't always have multisystem, so they can't play PAL, only PAL users have the capability of playing NTSC, and then you have: NTSC 3.58 and NTSC 4.43, so standard play a big trick here too!

Not to mention: PAL, SECAM, MESESCAM, NTSC 4.43, NTSC 3.58 and not every VHS player plays them, on the other hand VCD can play both PAL and NTSC on the same equipment.

DVD Regions, you are confusing DVD Movies with VCD movies, if not all can, then i guarntee you 99% of the DVD players can convert a VCD from PAL to NTSC Playback or NTSC to PAL playback, how do I know this ? I live in Israel, I use both PAL and NTSC formats.

Typical Monitor is just 17" and even 19" and 21" still don't compare to a much cheaper 28" and 33" and of course the lucky ones with 40" and above.

And again, DivX has it's purpose, and VCD has it's purpose.

[dumwaldo]

sefy you are grasping at straws...

my last post said nothing about endurance of media or quality, all i stated was that VHS tapes are more comatible than VCD. perhaps if you want to make video tapes to mail out of the country you reside in you might experience a problem however you will have 100% compatibility with ALL of your friends players and that is something that VCD will never be able to offer. i have been disapointed by non working VCD (tested to work at home) that dont work in a friends player yet is my 31 years of life i have never seen a VHS tape fail the same way.

i took a quick count down the list and found no less than 80 players in the list that have NO writen media support. the list is approximatley 800 players long so that makes 10% on the list completely unable to play ANYTHING you make at home. it means nothing if you have a vcd player that cant play the disc you have the VCD on. i find it very interesting that you see it as a flaw in DivX when it doesnt play well on a 10 year old computer but see it as a flaw in the player when a vcd wont play on a 2 or 3 year old player.

i am sorry to sound redundant but i must say it again...
VHS is the most compatible media you can use. make a vhs tape and walk into the local electronics retailer and it will play in every player on the shelf. make a vcd and bring it into the local electronics retailer and it will play on 6 out of 10 players, 1 out of 10 wont work because they dont play either cdr or cdrw and 3 out of 10 because they only play cdrw and your VCD is cdr. even if you use cdrw to make the VCD then 2 out of every 10 wont work because they only read cdr and not cdrw. either way you have a 30% to 40% incompatibility with VCD's where there is 0% incompatibility in VHS.

i recall explaining this on this site before and all the regulars declared despite all logic and facts VCD is the most compatible. i am really at a loss if facts can not illustrate this simple point.

so a CD Burner 24x10x40 is only $70 huh? well since rounded numbers were not adequate let me show you what i held back pointing out before. lets recalculate with real life rock bottom prices...

VHS recorder $39.99
scan converter $69.99
TOTAL COST = 109.98

CD burner $69.99
DVD player $69.99
TOTAL COST = $139.99 ($30 more than a VHS setup)

in addition to that with a VCD setup you are limited to just what you can wrestle into VCD compliance but a VHS setup can record anything you can put on youe screen. so if you want to record those shockwave flash videos you cant do it with VCD. got a quicktime, WMV, DivX, or any other non vcd compliant format video you want to record well you can do it with a VHS set up without spending a rediculous amount of time converting it. real media... not with VCD. want to record yourself fragging like a madman online, no VCD is gonna do that.

as far as versatility and compatility hands down no contest VHS wins. that is supported by the facts not by an opinion.


xaanin
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as you can see above a scan converter can display anything not just DivX. in addition it is an external device that can be freely moved from machine to machine in minutes. there are no drivers to mess with. it can be used for recording video, making presentations, or even to set up a spectator TV at the next lan party you go to. as far as VCD looking better, the only time i have seen that is in the case of new release movies where everything else around is just a reencode of the VCD. you are limited in quality to only as good as the source so a reencoded DivX that came from a vcd will ovcourse not look as good. you say so your self in the last line of your post.



finally let me clear something up here. TV out video cards drop lines from the image in order to display it on a tv. a scan converter reprocesses the entire image and rerenders it on your tv in proper resolution. nothing is lost using a scan converter. this business about VCD doesnt look good on a computer but looks good on a TV and DivX looks good on a computer but not a TV is a misrepresentation caused by poor quality TV out cards. the reason VCD doesnt look good on a computer is simply because it lacks the resolution to support the display but DivX can support the higher resolution so obviously if you can output that higher resolution without loss you will have a better looking picture on the TV than a vcd offers.



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dumwaldo

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[Shabubu]

I'll post you the full CD, I just really don't have bandwidth to go uploading (stupid Dial-up). I'll try and cut out a segment and e-mail it to you.

[Sefy]

dumwaldo, i'm not grasping at anything, you switched from debating over DivX to debating over VHS, you propably want to tell me that's the best quality too.

As for the list of DVD Players compatibility, i hardly think that list can represent the entire list of DVD's out there, and you yourself said just 10% of that list, and that's not a VCD problem, that's a DVD player problem.

And the reason we blame DivX for not playing on a 6 year old PC and not a VCD when it doesn't work on a DVD, because VCD has alot more of applicances to play on (even PS2 and DreamCast!) and DivX is PC specific!!!! get it ? specific!! so if it doesn't work on the PC, it's a DivX fault!

As for prices, i took prices from PriceWatch, i don't know where you took your prices from, but I can propably find cheaper, and again, a DVD is not JUST for VCD, it's also for SVCD and DVD!! not to mention some can even play MP3! so lets quit that pointless debate regarding money! and not to mention the silly debate regarding VHS, which only plays on a VHS player, while VCD is more verstile, it can play on more then any other products in the market!

1) Personal Computer
2) VCD Portable Players
3) LaserDiscs with VCD support
4) DVD Players
5) DreamCast and PlayStation2

VHS can be played on lots of VHS ONLY
DivX can be played on lots of PC ONLY!

VHS compliance huh ? you propably forgot about SP, LP, EP, not every VHS has it, you only get Mono Sound on 90% of all VHS Players, with VCD, well, I got my SeVCD and SxVCD, sure not everything plays it, but it's more then just VHS that will lose quality after a single playback.

And as for your last comments, to display a DivX in "quality" on a TV, you need to buy an extra Scan Converter, it's not something everyone has, i doubt anyone has it by default, VCD plays as is, no codec download, no extra hardware, no nothing and as far as how you say "looks good to you", well, i've not seen a single satisfactory DivX even compared to the low life VCD ever, no matter how high resolution DivX can do, it stinks in my view, dead colors, and bad picture overall, for you VCD is like that, which by the way, if you watch VCD on the PC and stick your head in the monitor, of course it will look bad, but if you watch it from the same distance you would watch a TV, it's much more enjoyable then any DivX, even at full screen.

[djvirus]

Man this conversation is still going on. Man!!!! Haha!!!! To the person that said there are no HCr's in asia. You are mistaken. I go to Japan at least twice a year to visit inlaws. The 2 top ways to watch movies are VHS and vcd. Dvd is to expensive over there right now.
But on another note. Sefy, I made a vcd of MI2 yesterday. And and divx of MI2 the day before. And yes I can tell a difference on the comp screen, and on the TV. (On the tv a little more). VCD does look better but, Divx takes up one Cd. But then again it was way faster to make the VCD. I am torn now. Hahahahaha!!!!!! But VHS is still the most compliant of all. VHS sucks but it's more compliant. Well That did it. Sefy you turn a divx fan into a VCD fan as well. Don't get me wrong I will still use divx for it's lower file size a(nd still looks pretty good). But I will also use VCD to. Just because It's faster to make. And the picture came out a little better. My to cents. Now stop the insanity of the disscussion. Haha!!! PEACE

djvirus
comp animator
comp tech
DJ
tired of this tread!!!
Oh and one more thing I will be using VCD format for my animation Demo reals from now on. VCD is pretty dope!

[dumwaldo]

again home made VCD plays on only about 70% of DVD players


neither the Playstation 2 nor the Dreamcast play VCD

https://www.videohelp.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=66694&forum=8





for stand alone play the best quality you can get IS VHS. not standard VHS though SVHS is clearly the most superior format for stand alone play. so YES VHS is the best quality. i suppose that is why SVHS is the choice of professional video composers and VCD has always been relegated to the "cheapest method available" for distribution or home hobbiests. i am not trying to change the topic from DivX to VHS i am simply pointing out that VCD is not the best way to output video, it is just the cheapest and quickest.

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dumwaldo

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[djvirus]

Ps2 doesn't. Dreamcast does. I watched one on my friends last weekend!!

DJvirus

[spidey]

The easiest rule of thumb is if you wanna watch it ONLY on your pc, DIvX / Mp3 the clip, if you want to keep for greater viewing on the old TV, s/x/VCD it. If you want a tv version and a pc version, simply DivX/ mp3 encode your s/x/VCD mpeg in Vdub and keep a seperate copy. The real highpoint will be if and when standalone players can come up with a standard to play Mpeg4 (DivX) vid streams, so it would create the new standard.

[djvirus]

No VHS sucks. Svhs is cool but SVHS isn't cheap. Svhs players cost as much if not more than must DVD players. So like I said VHS is more compliant but wif you watch that tape like 10 times it will look like garbage. In fact I don't alow regualr VHS in my house anymore. For the simple fact that Not only do I like good looking video. I like ggreat sounding audio. VHS don't give me that. SVHS might but I don't feel like paying as much as a dvd player for a freakin VCR. That's my 2$ and 15 cents

djvirus

[dumwaldo]

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Ps2 doesn't. Dreamcast does. I watched one on my friends last weekend!!

DJvirus
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sorry but VCD does not play in a dreamcast without modifications or using some kind of boot disc. thats why there are DCVCD to play on the dreamcast, a format that only plays on the DC. so sorry the DC is not a vcd player regardless of what you watched on your friends DC.

[djvirus]

Guess what!!!! The dreamcast is modded!!!! And guess what. A valid VCD(that I bought). Played great. Don't matter if the dreamcast was modded or not. I guess the Ps1 can't play vcd to. Or the sega saturn. Wether you think it is or not. I watched and enjoyed a valid VCD on a dreamcast. And you know what. I think I will do it again tonight just for the hell of it!!!!
Even though the dreamcast is not a valid player. I made it valid by playin it on it!!!

djvirus

[djvirus]

Here's a link to software simular to what we have to do it with
http://www.dcemulation.com/pay-dcvcd.htm

djvirus

[djvirus]

http://www.netcheats.com/life/vcdguide-01.html
check that out to non believer!!

djvirus

[dumwaldo]

so djvirus just as i said the dreamcast does not play VCD.

if you need to modify the player in order to get it to work that is not a working VCD player. i can open the case to a DVD player with no cdr/cdrw support and change the laser to make it play those but that doesnt change the fact that the player itself lacks that support off the shelf, just as the DC does not support VCD playback off the shelf. is it because the modification might be easier on the DC than a DVD player that makes it acceptable?

now yes anything can be modified to play VCD. even player designed specifically NOT to play VCD can be modded. eproms can be flashed and hardware can be changed, that doesnt change the fact that if you go buy a dreamcast and drop in a VCD it wont play.

[salvius]

Sigh... I thought this was a good forum till now...

First, yes you can play VCD on Dreamcast. However, you need special SOFTWARE which is both illegal (uses unlicensed libraries) and costs money. So no, you can't just put a VCD in DC and go. So that doesn't count. I am not aware that there is acompletely legal solution to playing VCD on DC.

Now, portability and versatility wins every time for VCD; there is no argument. Lots of players CAN play it and Divx... Well no player but a computer can play it.

Having said that, VCD and DIVX do not use same methods. I find it laughable that someone wants to compare VCD CBR and DIVX CBR. Why the HELL would you do that? That is a WEAKNESS of VCD that it can not do variable bitrate. DIVX's SBC encoding, not stupid Flask because it is useless, is amazing. Yes, it takes longer. And yes, it takes LESS space (usually, one CD) and the quality is amazing. For anyone who has never seen good DIVX, please encode with SBC and honestly tell me VCD looks better. Not a chance.

DIVX has a bad reputation for crappyness due to people releasing movies on the net and not knowing what they are doing. It also has a bad reputation because people expect their $10 TV-OUT card to do wonders.

Sorry, DIVX wins. Just because people do not know how to encode it isn't the codecs fault.

Finally, doing a small sample of both VCD and DIVX is completely pointless, and will not give a realistic picture of DIVX quality due to the fact that it is not CBR. So, small samples comparing the two are useless.

So, again, what VCD has for it is the stand alone player appeal. However, if I am too cheap to buy a good TV out or a scan converter as mentioned, I'd much rather use SVCD (even if even more incompatible) than the crap VCD.

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[Macros746]

Why oh why can't people just listen to what Sefy is saying: NO ONE FORMAT CAN EVER BE THE SINGLE WINNER! Divx is great because it has the best compression and, like vcd, is much cheaper in terms of media (compare cd-r with videotape and you'll see what I mean). It can have very good quality video and, if converting from an .avi (captured) file is much faster than converting to VCD. VCD is great because (like Divx) it is cheap media has very good quality video which has DIFFERENT video quality than divx. Some find VCDs to be slightly blurry while some find Divx to have loss of color saturation. But VCD is more compatible than Divx and is the most compatible DIGITAL solution available. SVCD CAN have the highest quality video but at the expense of compression and is less compatible than VCD and has the same drawback of not being able to fit a movie on a single disc (in fact, for highest quality sometimes 3...) and finally VHS. Can anyone really argue that this is the simplest media? Not really. But for archiving and permanance not to mention storage space (you should see my grandmother's video collection...she almost needs another apartment) it is clearly the loser. Not to mention the fact that VHS is FAR more expensive than cd-r media. In short ALL of these mediums are excellent and dominant in their own arenas. Certain of them DO overlap but results are completely dependent on personal taste. For a movie I really care about I will take the time to make a perfect SVCD...for archiving TV shows Divx makes the most sense to me (conversion time from .avi) and backing up DVDs from a perfect digital source I prefer VCDs (I can also ship them home to my awe struck parents to play on their crappy computer) So quit the pissing match boys...we are all winners. Experiment with all of the formats like I have and you won't be disappointed.

Mark

[mikewg]

Geeze, Sefy had enough smileys on his post a few up, it started to look like a Connect The Dots.

[djvirus]

the point I was trying to make about the dreamcast vcd player is that you can make a dreamcast play VCD format. Someome on this thread told me I can't play vcd format. only dcvcd. I proved you can. Don't matter if it modded or not. point is you can. As far as it being illegal or legal was not part of the question.
The second thing was that As I said before I died a comparision, with a full divx, and vcd rip of a movie. Played them both back. I was more happy with the vcd BUT as I also said there is not much of a difference in my eyes. But also what I said basically was that I never really looked at the differnce. I thought that divx looked better and played better. And now I think VCD is pretty cool. I never said that it was better than divx. I said I would stop bashin vcd.
Also I changed the card on the one I had in my comp that I watch movies on tv with(diamond viper 550) to geforce 3 with TV out(from my workstation) Just to see if there could be a change. Yes there was a change a big one. But The both ended up looking good. That's what it comes down to. When both formats are done right they both come out lookin good. That simple. Not any one format is better. It all depends on how you are going to use that file. That should determine wether the format is any good. As I said before this tread went stupid all of a sudden.
This and that. Damn if your gonna use vcd format stick with it but try divx. see if you like it. I am gonna use both and get the best from both worlds plain and simple!!!!!! can't believe people take makin divx and vcd movies sooo seriously. This is suppose to be a place to learn. (as I did about the good points of vcd). Not bashin, or flamin newbies or whatever stuff like that. This place is about enjoying movies(home movies, backing up, stuff like that) Lets get back to the love. I totally a gree with Sefy now about vcd. But I still have my believe about divx.
MOVIES RULE!!
djvirus

[sracer]

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again home made VCD plays on only about 70% of DVD players
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Is that 70% of listed DVD player models or 70% of the DVD players sold? There is a difference...a BIG difference between the two. Oh, and where did that 70% figure come from?

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The problem is that there are some enthusiastic people jumping in on the debate. Dreamcast out-of-the-box cannot play VCDs. With the right software, it can play VCD-compliant MPEG and DAT files, but it cannot play an off-the-shelf VCD.


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for stand alone play the best quality you can get IS VHS. not standard VHS though SVHS is clearly the most superior format for stand alone play. so YES VHS is the best quality. i suppose that is why SVHS is the choice of professional video composers and VCD has always been relegated to the "cheapest method available" for distribution or home hobbiests. i am not trying to change the topic from DivX to VHS i am simply pointing out that VCD is not the best way to output video, it is just the cheapest and quickest.
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Sorry, but SVHS is NOT the choice of professional video composers. They still use Beta.

As to which is the best way to output video, it depends upon what your target audience is. Bottom line is that there is no single method that is all-round best... not even VHS.


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VideoCD Collection

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[pinoy2201]

DAMN i only wanted to ask what should i use for the best..i didnt want all this arguments DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

[Poplar]

I have been reading this thread with great interest and can't help jumping into the foray.
When I started DVD ripping, I chose DivX, because they say it's "the MP3 of the video world". The quality was OK but not what it was cracked up to be. Then I downloaded a lot of movie clips from the net. I found out that clips with best quality were almost always encoded in mpeg-1, not DivX, if they were encoded in the same resolution (3xxX2xx). To increase DivX quality, I had to use settings like 5xxX3xx, bitrate 1600Kbps to encode a 90+ minute movie in two CDs, just to make it watchable on my PC.
Then I swithched to (S)VCD. End of the story.

[dumwaldo]

i never considered this an argument, i thought it was a an exchange of opinions, facts and information. granted there might be some pissing back and forth at some points but for the most part it has been a very informative and educational thread. i know i for one learned some things since this started.

now i am going to quote something for no other reasen than to make sure it is not missed. i think this defines what this thread is all about very well...

said by djvirus
<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font size=-1>Quote:</font><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE=-1><BLOCKQUOTE>Damn if your gonna use vcd format stick with it but try divx. see if you like it. I am gonna use both and get the best from both worlds plain and simple!!!!!! can't believe people take makin divx and vcd movies sooo seriously. This is suppose to be a place to learn. (as I did about the good points of vcd).</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>

[moog]

Dumwaldo: I understand the ALT>enter key. Doesn't image playback quality depend on the source, codec used, player and size? Maybe using trailers is a bad example since the DIVX trailer sources are from .mov files.

Pinoy 2001: Post like this are good because you get a feel for what many thinking.The best answer I can give as to your very first post, try and see what works and looks best for what you are doing. This site will provide some info on authoring and using DIVX from your own video shoots.
http://geocities.com/aussie01au/index.html