just wondering why toast can't verify faster than it writes?

[brett]

i've been burning dvds at 4x and now 8x thanks to the pioneer 108, and it got me wondering why toast can't verify the burn at a much faster speed than it writes -- like at top "read" speed or whatever. it appears to verify at the rate of burn. isn't it just reading data and comparing it?

[AntnyMD]

That hasnt been my experience. I've experienced roughly half the time to verify as it is to burn. I've been burning up to 4x lately.

[WiseWeasel]

You might want to install the RPC1 (region-free) hacked firmware for your drive, as it increases the read speed for certain types of media. That might improve the verification time in Toast.

[brett]

ya, i have the hacked firmware, and toast provides a 16x burn option. that's interesting anthony -- half the time -- for me it is as if it verified at 4x for 4x burns and 8x for 8x burns. half time would be nice. and this is toast 6.0.7, fwiw.

[galactica]

I have pioneer 108 with just patchburn 3 [no hacks] and my verification time is 1/2 that of the burn time

what media are you using?

[WiseWeasel]

I have the Pioneer 107D (hacked firmware), and I burn at 8x, and verification takes about as long as the burn time, but that's just because that's about the speed at which it reads from the media I use. When I burn at 1x, verification still takes the same amount of time as when I burn at 8x. I'm pretty sure burning and verification speeds should be unrelated.

[brett]

ya, i'm using the ritek 8x stuff -- forget the model # but i could look it up -- i'm just starting on those, but i used about 100 of the 4x ones since i got the pioneer 108 and i cannot imagine that it was 1/2 the time to verify (which would be 8x) -- really -- but then again, where was my stopwatch? again, i am just surprised to see others getting verifies faster than burns, but i would be a better poster and person if i had stopwatched it. but i am really positive that the 4x burns took over 10 minutes to verify and the 8x burns cut that in half -- similar to burn times each. oh well. i guess mebbe my question should be does any one else perceive their verify times to be equal to burn times . . . . aside: thanks for the replies even if they debunk my premise

[john yaya]

I had wondered the same thing. I have a Pioneer 106D with hacked firmware, so it should read at up to 12x. It definitely rips faster, but verification appears to go at 4x. Like brett. I haven't confirmed it, but I'm certain it is in the 4x region.

[chikanakan]

DVD-ROM and DVD-R have different read speeds. Dual layer and single layer disc also have different read speeds. Toast will verify at the top read speed for recordable media. For the 106, the fastest read speed for DVD-R,-RW,+R,+RW is 6x max CAV. It probably starts at about 2-3x and it only reaches 6x speed at the outer edge of the disc. If you have only 2 or 3GB, you will never hit 6x. Single layer DVD-ROM read at 12x. Dual Layer DVD-ROM read at 8x.

It's all marketing. Ripping from a DVD-ROM will be faster, but unless it is single layer you won't hit the 12x speed.

[john yaya]

I think that is it, for me at least. If those figures are correct, the 106 should read recordable media on a full disc at an average of about 4x. I knew dual layer ROMs were slower, but I didn't realize recordable media reads were that slow.

[sirN]

Ok, I'll go off topic and ask the dumb newbe question....

What is hacked firmware? I have the Pioneer 106D in my Mac. Never installed any firmware, let alone a hacked one.

Help me mr. wizard...

[WiseWeasel]

There's hacked firmware (RPC1 for region-free ripping, allowing you to switch its region as many times as you want, and unlocks faster ripping and burning speeds on more types of media) available here:
http://www.macetvideo.com/flashpioneerosx/flashpioneerosx.html
Scroll down to the 1.08 firmware for the 106 drive, and get that. Then follow the instructions in the ReadMe.