capturing ol home vid tapes; but, MACROVISION appears; WHY?

[GreatSinatraFan]

I am capturing a LOT of old video tapes, from a Panasonic Omnivision video tape recorder; using a ATI All In Wonder 9000 Pro - with a Dell 700 Dimension.

These are old movies and television shows that I video-taped directly from broadcast televison.. these tapes should NOT have any Macrovision issues (constant light to darkness, and there is a on and off again white line flickering at the top of the screen.) Yet.. there it is..the effects of Macrovision..

Does anyone know what causes this to happen, and how can I get rid of this problem? I DO have an old "Digital Video Stabilizer RXII"; but it doesn't help in this situation.. and I can't afford a TBC..

Any solutions ? Thanks for your attention !

[lordsmurf]

Read this:
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=246129

[GreatSinatraFan]

Thanks, Lordsmurf.. well.. I guess I'm just gonna have to "grin and bear it".. since I can't really afford any of the TBC's that have been recommended.. . . oh Rats..

[thecoalman]

Thanks, Lordsmurf.. well.. I guess I'm just gonna have to "grin and bear it".. since I can't really afford any of the TBC's that have been recommended.. . . oh Rats..

There's cheaper alternatives that might work..... Try some of the Sima products providing you can return it if it doesn't work.

[barrybear]

The lines you see at the top are teletext lines but the changes from light to dark on the screen are poor signal alinment from the VHSplayer.

My advice would be to try the old tapes you have in other vhs players and see if the films are any better.

Barrybear

[pepegot1]

Try this:
http://www.checkhere22.com/stabilizer.html

For $29.95 you can't go wrong and it gets rid of Macrovision.

[thecoalman]

The lines you see at the top are teletext lines but the changes from light to dark on the screen are poor signal alinment from the VHSplayer.

My advice would be to try the old tapes you have in other vhs players and see if the films are any better.

Barrybear

That's a known issue with the ATI cards, they are very finicky about the source. If his captures look anything like the ones from the link LS posted no matter what you do including using a different VCR it won't work. Trust me been there, done that.

The only way is to have a good signal before it gets to the card.

Here's a link with some info that goes into detail with example clips from two different cards at the bottom. www.nepadigital.com/mv

[BSR]

but the changes from light to dark on the screen are poor signal alinment from the VHSplayer.

Are you sure about that. I see this light to dark all the time when playing a DVD using a VCR to connect to TV. If I copy the DVD and remove macrovision (or whatever), I do not get these light to dark transitions.

Therefore I always assumed this light to dark to light transition was macrovision. And if a VCR copies it, it amplifies this transition making the copy pretty bad to watch. Hence copy protection.

[thecoalman]

Therefore I always assumed this light to dark to light transition was macrovision. And if a VCR copies it, it amplifies this transition making the copy pretty bad to watch. Hence copy protection.

That's correct but the movies he has don't have MV. Essentially the card thinks they do. If you removed the MV detection from the card or ATI toned it down a little it wouldn't be an issue at all.

I'll bet that this is not an issue when he hooks it directly to the TV.

Edit: BTW I tried multiple VCR's including the original camcorder with my tapes.

[spiderman2k1]

"GreatSinatraFan" There is a ATI reg tool to turn of copy protection. I know your tapes do not have copy protection but it will tell the ATI AIW not to look for it.

[thecoalman]

"GreatSinatraFan" There is a ATI reg tool to turn of copy protection. I know your tapes do not have copy protection but it will tell the ATI AIW not to look for it.

Doesn't work on the new ones unless it's something I'm not aware of that recently came out. It only works from what I have read with particular combinations of older cards, MMC and drivers.

[dfisher]

I have one of the Video Stabilizer's that pepegot1 suggested & it works. I have used it with both VHS & BETA tapes to make DVD copies through an ATI card with no problems at all. In fact I've had one of these for almost 10 years & used it for making VHS to BETA & vica versa copies for years. I would suggest that anyone having Macrovision problems give it a try. And for $30 it well worth a try.

[GreatSinatraFan]

Well; as I've mentioned in the original post; I have a Digital Video Stabilizer RXII that looks EXACTLY like the one that someone posted in that link ...but this Digital video stabilizer doesn't work at all in this situation.. yep.. when I used this stabilizer in the past, to copy video tapes to video tapes.. the thing worked like a dream.. BUT with my ATI All In Wonder 9000 Pro.. nada.

Hmm;; ya know.. maybe I'll try it with another VCR; wouldn't hurt to try anyway.

Thanks for all the great suggestions..



Ring a Ding Ding !~

[thecoalman]

Hmm;; ya know.. maybe I'll try it with another VCR; wouldn't hurt to try anyway.

Go for it....but if the video plays good on a vcr to tv connection your fucked.

[pepegot1]

Now you know why I capture with my JVC recorder instead of my ATI 9800 AIW. I talked to Facet Clarifier people and they said that their unit does not work with the new ATI cards. Therefore, I would assume that the Stabilizer I mentioned above will also not work with new ATI products. ATI shot themselves in the foot with these new cards. If there is a fix-it should be made known or else stay away from ATI no matter how good they are otherwise.

[lordsmurf]

Again, as usual, ATI is not the only company. EVERYBODY is incorporating anti-copy detection. PVRs, DVD recorers, VCRs, capture cards.

[pepegot1]

Yeah! and that sucks

[ggrussell]

GreatSinatraFan - another option if you have access to a digital camcorder is to use the camcorder analog pass-through. I've tried many analog solutions and none of them were satisfactory for me. You can also transfer to DV tape then capture via Firewire. Takes more time, but well worth the quality especially for old home video.