Problems with Napoleon dynamite

[MackemX]

there is many a time I have seen that running a DVD through DVDShrink fixes it, so that's why I suggested it. Even if it doesn't need shrinking you can still use DVDShrink as a ripper but it will also sometimes fix bad files

there was no need to remove the audio but who knows maybe the sectors with bad data just so happened to be in the audio sectors you removed?

DVDShrink will not read the whole DVD if you remove something. It will just read the data it needs to get the output you told it

when it doesn't recognise the DVD, you should try rebooting. I had the same issue a while back with Shallow Hal DVD when trying to watch it

does it not recognise the DVD with both DVD drives?

[90blackcrx]

I have not because I'm not really sure how to do so, what would I need to combine all the files. If its really involved forget it.

Yes, it's really involved. But there's a simple/cheap way to check out my theory. Since you own the DVD, you're entitled to a backup ... which is why I assume you're ripping it to burn. Rent it. Rip/Burn the rental. If it turns out OK, the problem is with your original disk not your software or hardware. If it doesn't turn out OK, you're out the rental fee ... but you now know it's a software or hardware issue unrelated to your DVD.

Read my thread above yours, I got it to work

[jimmalenko]

jimmalenko I remember one time you telling me there was no reason to run a file threw dvd shrink if it does not need to be shrinked, well I wanted to ask you if you ment this with only files that I re-encoded myself with tmpgenc plus or any file ? Hope that made some sense, I'm not trying to blame you, but like I said before , you know your stuff and the things you say really stick in my head.

I'm over my little hissyfit ...

My comments were that if a DVD (be it authored by you, or ripped from a commercial title) does not require shrinking size-wise (is less than 4460MB or therabouts), then there's no need to use DVDShrink on it. That's to say that if it doesn't need shrinking size-wise, don't shrink it !

That said, DVDShrink is good to use solely for removing unwanted audio, etc. even if you don't need to shrink it size-wise. Just to complicate the issue a little, there may be times when you have a DVD5 (so it doesn't need shrinking) but you want to discard all the extras and make it movie-only. In this case, DVDShrink in re-author mode is probably the quickest/easiest way (but just to reinforce that we're not using DVDShrink for it's shrinking capabilities).

BTW my initial comments IIRC were that you were using DVDShrink solely for ripping files your hard drive to import into TMPGEnc DVD Author, and I was simply commenting that it was perhaps unnecessary in the context you were using it in.

Does that make sense ?

[90blackcrx]

I understand all that but these things are still bugging me.

I did not need to shrink napolean dynamite so I did not run it threw dvd shrink, but how come when I did it fixed my problems.

Also if I do not shrink a movie but still run it threw dvd shrink will it effect the quality ?

As you said before, don't ask why the old way did not work, just keep doing it the way it works now. But I'm just curious.

[jimmalenko]

I did not need to shrink napolean dynamite so I did not run it threw dvd shrink, but how come when I did it fixed my problems.

I really can't give an answer to that, apart from a stab in the dark - it may well be that there were some commands in the IFOs that DVDDecrypter couldn't handle for some reason, and DVDShrink probably rewrote the IFOs based on what it found, thus correcting your movie. There's probably plenty of other reasons why. The important thing is that it's working now. Note to self: If one program struggles to do a particular DVD properly, try another program.

Also if I do not shrink a movie but still run it threw dvd shrink will it effect the quality ?

No. Compression @ 100% just means STRAIGHT RIP.

[freestyler]

No it won't affect the quality.

The only difference that I'm aware of is that the disc's implementation ID will be read as "DVD_SHRINK" in DVDInfoPro, meaning that the disc was processed through DVD Shrink.

[90blackcrx]

I really can't give an answer to that, apart from a stab in the dark - it may well be that there were some commands in the IFOs that DVDDecrypter couldn't handle for some reason, and DVDShrink probably rewrote the IFOs based on what it found, thus correcting your movie.

So i guess the lesson learned it always run it threw dvd shrink just in case, well I'm glad I got it fixed. Thanks guys

[AlecWest]

I did not need to shrink napolean dynamite so I did not run it threw dvd shrink, but how come when I did it fixed my problems.

That was a good/simpler solution ... much better than the involved process I recommended first. It fixed it because, every time DVDshrink processes the files (even if it doesn't shrink them), it performs a re-encoding process. And, like I first suggested, re-encoding cures a lot of ills ... sometimes. Glad it worked finally.

[jimmalenko]

It fixed it because, every time DVDshrink processes the files (even if it doesn't shrink them), it performs a re-encoding process. And, like I first suggested, re-encoding cures a lot of ills ... sometimes.

Be careful with the lingo here

DVDShrink doesn't/can't re-encode. If there's no compression, it is simply ripping the video/audio streams - nothing more, nothing less. If there is compression, it still doesn't re-encode - it transcodes. There is a difference

[90blackcrx]

It fixed it because, every time DVDshrink processes the files (even if it doesn't shrink them), it performs a re-encoding process. And, like I first suggested, re-encoding cures a lot of ills ... sometimes.

Be careful with the lingo here

DVDShrink doesn't/can't re-encode. If there's no compression, it is simply ripping the video/audio streams - nothing more, nothing less. If there is compression, it still doesn't re-encode - it transcodes. There is a difference

So wait, if I don't shrink it, it won't transcode correct ? And what more then likely fixed this, the transcoding process. Basically what I'm trying to say is, I should just remove something like the spanish subtitles all the time so it will transcode and fix everything.

[AlecWest]

It fixed it because, every time DVDshrink processes the files (even if it doesn't shrink them), it performs a re-encoding process. And, like I first suggested, re-encoding cures a lot of ills ... sometimes.

Be careful with the lingo here

DVDShrink doesn't/can't re-encode. If there's no compression, it is simply ripping the video/audio streams - nothing more, nothing less. If there is compression, it still doesn't re-encode - it transcodes. There is a difference

Thanks. The reason I used that lingo is because DVDshrink uses it. If you perform the procedure and look in the upper-left part of the window that opens, you'll see the word "Encoding..." But, you're right ... it is transcoding.

[jimmalenko]

So wait, if I don't shrink it, it won't transcode correct ? And what more then likely fixed this, the transcoding process. Basically what I'm trying to say is, I should just remove something like the spanish subtitles all the time so it will transcode and fix everything.

When your compression is less than 100%, it transcodes. When your compression is 100%, it is simply ripping the files.

[RottenFoxBreath]

region 1 version of napoleon dynamite,ripped and copied with dvddecrypter,barely 15 minutes ago,ISO-read,ISO-write,no probs with any files or commands decrypter couldnt handle,its either got to be a media problem,user error,or hardware fault,even something as simple as a driver.

[90blackcrx]

So wait, if I don't shrink it, it won't transcode correct ? And what more then likely fixed this, the transcoding process. Basically what I'm trying to say is, I should just remove something like the spanish subtitles all the time so it will transcode and fix everything.

When your compression is less than 100%, it transcodes. When your compression is 100%, it is simply ripping the files.

So if I don't mess with any of the settings and it does not need to be shrunk done it just rips the file correct ?

But if I mess with the audio and say take out spanish it will transcode correct ?

And you mentioned before dvd shrink might of fixed the file, will it fix the file when it just rips the file or when it transcodes the file ?

[jimmalenko]

So if I don't mess with any of the settings and it does not need to be shrunk done it just rips the file correct ?

Correct.

But if I mess with the audio and say take out spanish it will transcode correct ?

When your compression is less than 100%, it transcodes. When your compression is 100%, it is simply ripping the files.

Transcoding is aprocess that is only done on the video. It only transcodes when your video is less than 100%, regardless of if you leave everything in or take something out.

And you mentioned before dvd shrink might of fixed the file, will it fix the file when it just rips the file or when it transcodes the file ?

Well, it fixed the file in this case when it just ripped it, and if it transcodes then it needs to rewrite the IFOs anyway, so yes to both.

That said, DVDShrink is only human, and there'll be (and there has been) movies it has issues with (not many, mind you).

[90blackcrx]

Ok, so I guess its always a smart thing to run it threw dvd shrink, just to be on the safe side. Thanks

[90blackcrx]

If anyone still cares, I watched the whole movie yesterday ( the burned copy ) and it started skipping near the end ( around chapter 17 ) well it got worse and worse and I had to turn it off.

I thought to myself, that's odd because I tried it on my ps2 and I fast forwarded to the ending and when ever I do that and the movie plays at the end, that means the backup copy was good.

So after coming home I put the dvd in my dvd player ( I have 2, 1 at different houses ) and the movie played perfectly. So I'm gonna go back to the other house and fast forwareded it and see if it skips again.

Or my other thought was, when the dvd player gets really hot, it won't read the disc as good, any truth to this ?

[RottenFoxBreath]

the media skipping might just be THAT particular dvd player,if it played to the end of the movie on one player,or it may actually be the media itself.
as for heat,my LG home theatre system gets quite warm,i woulnt say hot,but has played all discs to the end,except crappy ones,that my kids alba wont even play.i suppose if the dvd player gets really hot to the point of not really being able to touch it then it might cause a problem,but if it does,that to me would indicate a manufacturing fault,and should be picked up on and looked further into(like contacting the makers and getting them or the store to replace it.