blank DVDs pirates use to make Bootleg DVD

[BJ_M]

I took a tally of how many DVDs I would have to illegally copy before one of those pressing machines became cost-effective for me. Does anyone in this world have a collection totalling more than 10,000?

the first disk for master/stamper is very expensive ... your question should be "is there anyone you would back up the SAME dvd 10,000 times for home" ..

[hech54]

how can you differentiate if a pirated DVD is pressed or burn?

Look at the bottom. If it's an actual DVD (not VCD as those can be any color), a burned disc will be some shade of purple, whereas a pressed disc will normally have a silver underside.

Seth

That don't mean squat if you are reading somebody's description of the DVD on Ebay. If the seller is a dirtball and a liar he or she is going to make it sound like it is a factory pressed DVD so Ebay does not close the auction.
THAT is why I HATE companies like Rima and the like for selling those clear slip covers that look like a factory shrink-wrap. "Factory Sealed"....I can see it now on Ebay.....and I can see naive people falling for it.
If someone wants to sell something that has never been released to DVD I don't have any problem with that.....just don't lie about it and try to make people think it is something that it isn't.

[Red96TA]

hech54

Those fancy cello baggies are made for folks like me who produce videos on dvd-r for retail sale

no goobers, not bootlegs...

I've got a ton of anime that isn't available here in the usa and it's nice that the disks are pressed. Now if they could only fix the crappy compression and subtitles. For criminy sakes, you'd think they could get in bed with one of the fansub groups for a chip of the pie

[hech54]

If someone is copying import DVD's to a die-based DVDR or going to the expense of having it pressed....then selling them....that is piracy, bootlegging...whatever you wish to call it.
Plain and Simple.
The fancy cello baggies or slip covers are just icing on the cake. They are designed with one main objective.....to fool someone into thinking they are buying a genuine, factory pressed DVD.
If someone films, edits, then puts to DVD...something like an instructional DVD that is a different animal altogether.
Just because it is not available where we live does NOT give anyone the right to pirate it and it certainly does not give anyone the right pirate it and sell it as a factory pressed DVD.....complete with shrink wrap.
That's as insulting as offering a COA (Certificate of Authenticity) for an autograph when someone sells it. How many COA's do you want? I can create and print about 500 of them....I just got a new ream of paper....

[Red96TA]

I'm the 'different animal' since I film and edit my own stuff for retail.

As for piracy, I only buy a title if it isn't available in the us. You would think that the folks in Japan would at least include an English subtitle track with lots of their dvd's, but most don't...and when dvd's in Japan are $60ea and don't include a sub track...it's wasted money.

[Nilfennasion]

Yeah, I actually spoke with people who worked at pressing plants during my time as a reviewer. A single glass master ran about $6,000 in 2001. So backing up The Godfather, a film that takes up two layers by necessity, would be a worthless endeavour on this kind of equipment.

Having said that, it would be cool if we could all afford our own stamping presses, but I cannot imagine it improving our lots in any way.

Red, have you had occasion to buy the Scream DVD that is available in Japan? As far as I am aware, it is the only uncensored cut of the film with an anamorphic video transfer. I've been contemplating buying it for a while.

[handyguy]

Where are these dvd presses? I can't find them on the net. Besides, how can you press a laser disk? Doesn't it have to be written with a laser?

[BJ_M]

Where are these dvd presses? I can't find them on the net. Besides, how can you press a laser disk? Doesn't it have to be written with a laser?

i guess you didnt read my post here https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1141108#1141108

laser disks are made the same way pretty much as dvd's , though you can also 'burn' them -- almost all laser disks nowmade (because of the low numbers) are burned. I had a laser disk burner -- but getting blank media is the issue .. as in next to impossable ..

[Nilfennasion]

The laserdisc never really had its day, sadly. When it first emerged in the 1970s, it had to compete with videotapes, which were given great novelty factor through the fact that one could shoot home movies with them. Children's birthdays, MoneyMases, that sort of thing. By comparison, all Laserdisc could do was show you films in an analogue, composite format, albeit with digital audio. Not surprisingly, the number of VCRs in Joe Average's home grew and grew, while Laserdisc players were rare.

Now, if they had made Laserdiscs recordable from the get-go, then it might have done better in the battle for consumer acceptance. I don't think recordable optical disc media was even marketed until the mid-to-late 1990s, although it had been around a little earlier.

[jaxxboss]

I farted

[richdvd]

if you could donate 400,000E to me, why not

Dude...is that really your wife?

[Capmaster]

if you could donate 400,000E to me, why not

Dude...is that really your wife?

No. It's not his wife :P

[FulciLives]

Red, have you had occasion to buy the Scream DVD that is available in Japan? As far as I am aware, it is the only uncensored cut of the film with an anamorphic video transfer. I've been contemplating buying it for a while.

I buy a lot of imports to get ahold of "rare" movies you otherwise cannot get ... I even have some import VHS (PAL and Japanese NTSC) as well as Japanese LaserDiscs.

Anyways I don't have the Japanese DVD of SCREAM but the uncut version was released here in the USA on LaserDisc. I rented it to watch it and the differences are SO minor (fleeting frames here or there like overall it is really just a matter of a few seconds longer).

Not sure it is worth $60 on DVD unless you are a HUGE fan of the film.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[Nilfennasion]

Really? The information I had was that the cuts added up to about a minute or so. The unrated version of RoboCop had less than that added, but boy, what a difference it made...

Oh well... I am not in any hurry to order anything anyway.

[FulciLives]

Really? The information I had was that the cuts added up to about a minute or so. The unrated version of RoboCop had less than that added, but boy, what a difference it made...

Oh well... I am not in any hurry to order anything anyway.

It may well add up to a minute extra OVERALL but we are taling 2 or 3 seconds here or there and that is about it at any one time.

It ain't that exciting.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[Nilfennasion]

Fair enough, then. The real reason I felt like ordering it was as a vote against the MPAA.

I just got a hold of Keetje Tippel. Now that's a film worth getting in its uncut format.

[d_unbeliever]

@richdvd

ya she's my wife...in my dreams

[Nilfennasion]

That's the fun thing about being an author. You can invent a wife for yourself from the ground up.

[freestyler]

or you can buy a Realdoll...

[d_unbeliever]

[nocarebear]

VCD never took off outside of South East Asia because it is of less than VHS quality.

I like VCD quality. It isn't as clear as a studio manufactured VHS movie to be sure, but the quality remains the same while if a VHS gets played too often, you can noticed the deterioration of the picture. And, VCD takes up less shelf space too.

[Nilfennasion]

Maybe it is just the VCDs I have seen, but I doubt it. I have never seen a VCD that I preferred to a just-pressed VHS tape. With the massive compression artefacts, lousy colour timing, incorrect aspect ratios, or poor audio, even the factor of looking the same on the 1,000th play as the first isn't going for VCD.

Taking up less space would be about the only selling point.

[jayndenver73]

I have tried to do some searches for DVD Presses, to get an idea of price and info. I wasn't able to find anything on them. Any info would be great on where to buy on here in the states.

[freestyler]

Have you read this thread?

[Nilfennasion]

I doubt it. Even if I knew the answer to the question, I doubt I'd be inclined to share it regardless of what the rules are.

[RabidDog]

who says pirates need DVD press's ?? They can (and do) buy 1to7 duplicators and keep them running. A few stacks of them, along with 100 spindles of cheapest media, Shrink wrapping machines are dirt cheap too. Its only the printing on the disc itself that (I think) couldnt be done effectively (r200,r300)? via semi-mass production garage bootleggers.
VCD quality can be good, on a par with VHS.

Thats why (some) people need 16x writers.

[d_unbeliever]

duplicators are very similar to DVD writer/burner correct?

[canadateck]

duplicators are very similar to DVD writer/burner correct?

Thats what they are Burners,some with 1 to 7 maybe more.

[d_unbeliever]

what really puzzle me is how come they can create good quality copies (no skipping, as clear as commercial DVD) using only cheapest media?

when with some of us, using cheap media almost always result to bad DVD copy (skipping, stopping and all)....

[freestyler]

I've got burns on crappy media that don't skip.

Some folks are luckier and have better system combinations for burning on crap media.