What Part of IT Network Engineer do People Not Understand?

[bazooka]

I get tired of people trying to offer me sales/marketing positions.

I just got an e-mail from someone that wanted me to work in sales.

I got the same e-mail from other people yesterday.

[tekkieman]

Spend enough time out of work and some might welcome those emails!

[bazooka]

Spend enough time out of work and some might welcome those emails!

I have not had the desire to be a salesman and could not sell ice to an eskimo, which is why I hate getting sales position offers.

[housepig]

I have had the desire to be a salesman and could not sell ice to an eskimo

well, of course not - they have all they need!

you really aren't cut out for sales, are you?

[Cobra]

I thought exactly the same thing!

Never mind, 'zook. We know you well enough to know what you mean.

[bazooka]

I have not had the desire to be a salesman and could not sell ice to an eskimo

well, of course not - they have all they need!

you really aren't cut out for sales, are you?

That was a typo.

It was supposed to be I have never had the desire.

[Capmaster]

"Engineer" is an over-used euphimism for so many other things ...sort of a sugar-coating. Many aren't true engineers. Like domestic engineer (maid), sanitation engineer (garbage man), electrical engineer (for a plumber), planning engineer (for a viewgraph jockey), program engineer (for a spreadsheet jockey and meeting monkey), sales engineer (salesman), product engineer (salesman), etc.

Maybe these places thought you were using a euphimism, and you weren't really a true "engineer" in the strictest sense?

[tekkieman]

electrical engineer (for a plumber)

What??????

[yoda313]

electrical engineer (for a plumber)

What??????

Hello,

It's a way to thin out the surplus population - ZAP!

Kevin

[Capmaster]

electrical engineer (for a plumber)

What??????

Dammit. I meant an electrician :P

[tekkieman]

I guess we'll let it slide this time!

[BJ_M]

a fully trained electrician is a well paid and highly technical position, specially in industrial control systems ..

takes a long time to get there though and a lot of schooling as well as apprenticeship ...

[Capmaster]

a fully trained electrician is a well paid and highly technical position, specially in industrial control systems ..

takes a long time to get there though and a lot of schooling as well as apprenticeship ...

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[bazooka]

And network engineers evaluate network needs, decide which protocols and interfaces to use, then string cable either horizontally or vertically and connect routers, swithces, bridges, and hubs, then once done he monitors and administers the network.


He also must decide which type of network to have.

It can be full mesh, partial mesh or point2point.

You can have point to multipoint subinterfaces as well.

He must decide on whether to use classless or classful ip's.

He must deide whether to use x.25, frame-relay, bri or pri isdn, dsl, cable internet, ppp, or pots.

That does not sound like sales.

He also looks for bottlenecks in networks and tries to eliminate the bottlenecks and makes plans for future growth.

The list goes on and on.

That does not sound or look like sales.

[BJ_M]

you obviously not worked with electricians working with process control and industrial automation systems .. they do the majority of the programing as well as installtion...

i know several that do have engineering degrees also ..

but as we say -- the engineers think about it and we just do it the way it should be done (though i do have a eng. degree also) ..


i have a pretty low regard for some "engineers" who think they know everything or use their 'engineering degree" as some sorta of mantra ....

in fact - recently , a REALLY low regard ..

[bazooka]

i have a pretty low regard for some "engineers" who think they know everything or use their 'engineering degree" as some sorta of mantra ....

in fact - recently , a REALLY low regard ..

Well that does not include any of us here.

I am always looking for new things to learn.

[BJ_M]

no one here -- something else ....

[Capmaster]

you obviously not worked with electricians working with process control and industrial automation systems .. they do the majority of the programing as well as installtion...

i know several that do have engineering degrees also ..

but as we say -- the engineers think about it and we just do it the way it should be done (though i do have a eng. degree also) ..


i have a pretty low regard for some "engineers" who think they know everything or use their 'engineering degree" as some sorta of mantra ....

in fact - recently , a REALLY low regard ..

I didn't mean to piss on anyone's shoes. I'm venting over the overuse of the term "engineer" for jobs that aren't really in that category.

I've never used my degree as a mantra, or placed more value on a sheepskin than it deserves. People are only as valuable as they make themselves and shouldn't be judged simply by their schooling.

An engineer isn't really one just because he finishes his degree studies. School only teaches him tools for how to seek out the knowledge or expertise he needs. He only begins to learn after he's out of school, IMO.

So I'm sorry if I offended you. It wasn't my intent. I've edited out my remarks as they obviously were taken in the wrong spirit.

[bazooka]

An engineer isn't really one just because he finishes his degree studies. School only teaches him tools for how to seek out the knowledge or expertise he needs. He only begins to learn after he's out of school, IMO.

Swish.....A three point shot at the buzzer....and that is the game.

You can lock this thread if you want.

I was just venting about being flooded with sales position offers.

[stiltman]

I get tired of people trying to offer me sales/marketing positions.

I just got an e-mail from someone that wanted me to work in sales.

I got the same e-mail from other people yesterday.

Yep, me too. I'm not a sales person per say. I do a lot of selling internally to the higher ups via presentations and what not, but I could never do dialing for dollars.

A pre-sales engineer position would be OK, but that's the closest to sales I want to get

[northcat_8]

"Engineer" is an over-used euphimism for so many other things ...sort of a sugar-coating. Many aren't true engineers. Like domestic engineer (maid), sanitation engineer (garbage man), electrical engineer (for a plumber), planning engineer (for a viewgraph jockey), program engineer (for a spreadsheet jockey and meeting monkey), sales engineer (salesman), product engineer (salesman), etc.

Maybe these places thought you were using a euphimism, and you weren't really a true "engineer" in the strictest sense?

Oh you mean like an "IT engineer" is more of a MFing computer geek with no real knowledge, just likes ******* around with computers all ******* day, plugs things in at random until the ******* thing works and just as it starts working for everyone, he has to shut it down to perform maintenance on it?

Oh yea...we've got 3 of those working right here

My question is: What ******* maintenance???? Do they have to change the oil in the ******* server? Is it out of aligment? Give me a ******* break. The only maintenance that needs to be done is cleaning the damn cooling fans and straightening up the ******* room the server is sitting in. These ******* jackasses can't even get web-based email to work properly. I type in my user name and password to log in and it sends me to someone else's email. I'm logged in as me in someone elses inbox. ******* wanker jackasses. OH OH and the best part is that we have over 250 employees in this school district and most of the teachers have to communicate through email with each other...our ******* email addresses are our last names and then our first and MIDDLE initials. So if your name was "James Larry Robinson" your email address would be "robinsonjl@wegotretardedITfuckersworkinghere. com" stupid fuckers. Oh and the greatest of all....our passwords are month and date of our birthday and the last 4 digits of our SS#

and they want to know why I don't use the school's email. **** the school email and **** the 3 retarded inbread cricket fuckers running the computer show around this place

One of which told me I could image a HD by drag and drop and it would be bootable. I'm no computer expert but even I knew that wasn't right.

[BJ_M]

you obviously not worked with electricians working with process control and industrial automation systems .. they do the majority of the programing as well as installation...

i know several that do have engineering degrees also ..

but as we say -- the engineers think about it and we just do it the way it should be done (though i do have a eng. degree also) ..


i have a pretty low regard for some "engineers" who think they know everything or use their 'engineering degree" as some sorta of mantra ....

in fact - recently , a REALLY low regard ..

I didn't mean to piss on anyone's shoes. I'm venting over the overuse of the term "engineer" for jobs that aren't really in that category.

I've never used my degree as a mantra, or placed more value on a sheepskin than it deserves. People are only as valuable as they make themselves and shouldn't be judged simply by their schooling.

An engineer isn't really one just because he finishes his degree studies. School only teaches him tools for how to seek out the knowledge or expertise he needs. He only begins to learn after he's out of school, IMO.

So I'm sorry if I offended you. It wasn't my intent. I've edited out my remarks as they obviously were taken in the wrong spirit.

yes - in that context -- it is sadly much overused .. and has completed wrecked the true meaning of once was a noble profession ..

i.e. at one time you told your children to grow up and become a doctor or a lawyer or an engineer

sorry - about the tirade

[bazooka]

Maybe I should change the title to network admin.

The only problem is an admin in most cases does not do the panning and building of the network.

[bazooka]

@NC

Maintainence includes nightly and weekly backups.

Managing server space, replication, and of course the hardware maintainence such as blowing out the case and defragging.

[tekkieman]

...

No way I'm repeating that, although I do love to see "cricket fuckers" in print!

...and yet another day of someone pissing in northcat's Cherios!

[bazooka]

Although in your case NC, you just have bad admins.

[northcat_8]

@NC

Maintainence includes nightly and weekly backups.

Managing server space, replication, and of course the hardware maintainence such as blowing out the case and defragging.

In our particular case.....

It's a ******* SCHOOL....that is a 100% garunteed never work weekend environment and that shit doesn't take 4 days to do....hell I can knit a new server in 3 days

Don't act like it's a hard job....matter of fact...if you were really really good at that job, you would get it set up, get it running good and then just not **** with it.

My truck runs great, I change the oil every 3000 miles give it a tune up twice a year. I don't take the heads off to scrape the carbon off, or re-seat the valves every other week.

I know there is more to it than I know Bazooka, I'm just irritated with our computer tech guys right now. Because they are mad at me for using my own computer (windows) on the school network rather than that speedy G3 Mac with 32 MB of RAM that the school provides. They are pissed because they said I couldn't use a windows computer on a MAC network. That and because they can't see my computer on the network. Fuckers

[yoda313]

Hello,

That and because they can't see my computer on the network

Hmmm.... So that's how you can post so much on videohelp!

Kevin

[tekkieman]

... and because they can't see my computer on the network. Fuckers

They're pissed they can't steal your porn!

[bazooka]

Don't act like it's a hard job....matter of fact...if you were really really good at that job, you would get it set up, get it running good and then just not **** with it.

It is not hard at all.

It is just time consuming.