Pissed about audio sync problems w/Panny E-85. Just me?

[psychotronicfilms]

I've been burning Prodisc 4X DVD-Rs on my Panasonic DMR-E85 for months now. While I had checked a few of them in my other players and found they seemed to be OK, I had never looked at all of them.

Now I come to find out that three of my players, a hacked Daewoo 5800, a Samsung progressive scan P-231, and a Cyberhome 300, are playing back most of the discs with the audio tracks completely out of whack. Some by as much as a second.

It's like a bad Mystery Science Theatre episode, but I'm not laughing.

These programs were all recorded straight to the E-85's hard drive in the SP mode, and then high-speed dubbed to DVD-R at the same speed.

In some cases, the picture comes before the sound, and in some cases it;s the other way around (I believe this may be known in aerospace terms as the Doppler Effect...). Either way, it's unwatchable.

However, when I pop these discs back into my E-85 that they originated from, they play back flawlessly, in perfect sync.

I know all DVD players can have moments where the audio drifts from the video, and this can usually be cured by stopping the film and then starting it again, but whats going on here?

Are my admittedly low to mid priced units just pieces of shit that can't handle DVD-Rs properly? Or is there a problem with the way my E-85 is encoding stuff?

I have purchased a couple of public domain and Foreign origination DVD-Rs from a few of the more well-known online specialty companies (I'm sure some of you know who I mean), and in my Cyberhome, Daewoo and Samsung, some of these discs freeze up at times and suffer from interference, but when played back in my Panny, they do just fine.

Is it just that my Panny has much more tolerance for signal fluctuation than these cheap machines?

I'm really upset that I've been dubbing tons of discs to send to my friends, and I now am assuming that most of them will find them utterly useless, as they probably own low to mid-priced players themselves. Have I just wasted a bunch of money, or is it just my crappy DVD players? I mean, 3 different units can't all be wrong, right?

If that's the problem - please tell me a reasonably-priced unit that can adequately play back discs burned in Panny's. I never would have bought the thing if I felt it wasn't compatible with most players on the market...

Thanks for any input you all can provide. Sorry for venting.

[heman28]

Hello to help you out with your question as best as I can, I have had the same problem as well but I can assure you its not the Panasonic dvd recorder since I have two of them the old DMR e20 and the new DMR e55 model and all of my discs play fine on my Sanyo dvd player just fine and also on my Toshiba dvd player. I have the same problem you have on my Playstation 2 and I have to always pause it sometims to get the audio back up to speed so called to speak with the video. It just really has something to do with the player itself. I even have the same problem with discs made from my Pioneer 105 dvd burner in my pc made with Ulead dvd software and Nero as well. I use Ritek g04 media and also I have used other media as well and they all do the same thing so its not a media problem for me. I hope it helps you out some to let you know it happens to others as well. I have tried my dvd's on other players besides mine and they have done fine with not problems its just on the Playstation 2. I hope you have better results in the future. I don't even know what makes it to do that and I would be curious myself as to know why.

eric

[lordsmurf]

The AC3 audio on Panasonics is majorly flawed, and it'll choke a lot of video editors, and a lot of DVD players.

[psychotronicfilms]

Ok,

Thanks for the answers!

So here's my question: do I just keep buying DVD players until I find one that seems immune from these problems?

I run a small non-profit film series, and we usually show our films sourced off DVD. Many of the movies we screen are overseas releases, so I'm transferring them from PAL onto NTSC DVD-Rs using my DMR E-85.

It's impractical to stop a film repeatedly at a public show and hope to sync the player back up, and I don't ant to have to haul around my recorder, or dump down to Super-VHS. Plus, it seems like usually when I stop the disc and start it again, the problem does not clear up.

Any more suggestions? If I have to, I guess I'll start buying and (if need be, returning) machines until I find one that'll read these things properly...

Happy New Year!

[lordsmurf]

I would dump the recorder and buy a better one. JVC, LiteOn, Pioneer ... all better choices.

[Bud]

I have both the E85 and the E20. So far I have never had sound problems. I use Memorex Disk or Fuji brand. TMPGEnc DVD Author to edit and burn. I have also used the Womble MPEG Edit software to edit , then run back through TMPGEnc DVD Author to author and burn. Recorded off Satellite TV. So far I have completed about 40-45 DVDs, reviewed about 15 or so. Played back on Sony DVD standalone and a Panasonic Portable LX8. May want to check the software you edit with.

Bud

[psychotronicfilms]

Thanks again.

I don't use any software to edit anything. I never touch a computer for my DVD-R needs. I merely transfer the footage to my DMR E-85, then burn DVD-Rs straight from the hard drive. I have neither the computer capacity, software, know-how or time to re-encode anything and mess with it.

I'll look into the other burners, but I was under the impression this Panasonic was one of the best choices as far as compatibility, picture quality and ease of operation (plus I'm not diggin on DVD+Rs...).

Can anyone give me the make and model number of a DVD player that can be had new for less than $150 that reliably plays back discs recorded on these Panny's without synch problems? I know each unit may be different, but if I'm gonna trying buying a new player, I'd rather start with one that appears to deal with this AC3 thing fairly well.

- Jim

[sagafoo]

i have a panasonic dvd player, new model, and it plays everything perfectly, and I have over 300 dvdrs from sources all over the world in my collection.

the player cost less than 100$

I have several cheap dvd players and have the problem you described if i play some of my dvds on the chepos.

but the panny plays em all.
I would tell you the model # but its packed up right now.

[Captain Satellite]

Thousands of Panny recorded discs - no playback problems. You can get the Panasonic DVD-S27S for 67.00 that plays back DVD-Video, DVD-R, DVD-RAM, CD-R, CD-RW, JPEG, and MP3/WMA CDs. Your DVDs play back flawlessly in your Panny because it is a quality machine. If it were a disc problem or recorder problem, ALL machines would choke on the disc.

[richdvd]

Panasonic recorders are excellent choices.
I've had 2 now and recorded content is flawless through several different video editing programs.

[Capmaster]

We've captured maybe 300 VHS transfers and have done numerous satellite caps on our Panny recorder. Not a single lip sync problem ...and excellent picture quality

[heman28]

Hello again I just wanted to also mention that I have stated in the above post that I have a Panasonic dvd recorder and I only have that problem with the audio with a playstation 2 but that is also with other discs recorded from my Hauppauge wintv pvr 250 card and authored with ulead movie factory as well and its with mpeg2 audio and not ac3 like the panny does. I also have this problems with any type of media good and bad it does not matter. I have used stuff encoded and made with Tmpeg author and other software and the same results. I have a 2 year old Toshiba dvd player that plays them all just fine along witha Sanyo that I just got and it does not even state it plays dvdr but it plays them fine. I have not had any problems wise with my Panasonic and people I have made dvd's for have not had any problems neither. I am happy with the quality of the Panasonic and it to me does a better job then my hauppauge card. But it just depends on what make a person happy I guess.
Eric

[spiderman2k1]

This is a problem with cheep DVD players not playing back DVD-R right. If the DVD-R play back fine on your E85 then its not the E85.

[zorankarapancev]

I run a small non-profit film series, and we usually show our films sourced off DVD. Many of the movies we screen are overseas releases, so I'm transferring them from PAL onto NTSC DVD-Rs using my DMR E-85.

1. DMR E-85 is not transferring machine.
2. If you are using some standard conversion machine before recording, then you should check first that machine and then all the connections that goes to Pany.

[psychotronicfilms]

I run a small non-profit film series, and we usually show our films sourced off DVD. Many of the movies we screen are overseas releases, so I'm transferring them from PAL onto NTSC DVD-Rs using my DMR E-85.

1. DMR E-85 is not transferring machine.
2. If you are using some standard conversion machine before recording, then you should check first that machine and then all the connections that goes to Pany.

Perhaps my phrasing was confusing. I am often playing back Pal discs on a Region, Code, and Macro/CGMS (spelling?)-free unit that outputs an NTSC signal. I then run this signal into the DMR E-85. I usually watch the film while it is dubbing, and I can tell the audio and video are in-sync.

It is only when the subsequently-burned DVD-Rs are placed in other machines that the synching problems occur. As I said before, when played back in the same Panasonic unit that recorded them, they are always completely in sync, therefore, it is some sort of compatibility issue between the finalized discs and other, inexpensive DVD players.