Boy's prints on Jacko's porn stash

[BJ_M]

the date on the magazine was AFTER the last time the kids were at neverland ..

which is such a glaring error - that it is evident the prosecution is just throwing everything out at the court and hoping some of it sticks and also just paints a bad picture of mj enough that the jury will ignore the facts ...

[NamPla]

Why don't they just arrest him on the grounds of his shit music?

[AlecWest]

Guilty or not, Michael Jackson is a fading star and the prosecutor, while not kicking a dead horse, is kicking a dying one.

Last week, Jackson's staff went without paychecks and several ordinary day-to-day bills are now past-due. Here's an article in the Sydney Morning Herald:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/People/Jackson-facing-financial-crisis-reports/2005/03/10/1...417613954.html

I especially shuddered at the last sentence where a Jackson spokeswoman tries to assure the press that Michael's finances are being handled by professional accountants. Hmm. Don't sound very professional to me if they can't even pay an electric bill.

[Kunta Kinte]

Well, with all due respect, it doesn't matter to me what his finances are. My only concern was that he gets a fair trial. After that, I only care about what's in my bank account.

[zzyzzx]

I don't see how he can not afford stuff when he still owns all the Beatles songs...

[Shocker Milwaukee]

He may or may not be a child molester, but he's certainly a dumbass:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2005-03-10-jackson_x.htm

SANTA MARIA, Calif. (AP) — A judge issued an arrest warrant for Michael Jackson on Thursday after he failed to show up for his child molestation trial on time and his attorney announced the singer was being treated for a serious back problem.
Superior Court Judge Rodney S. Melville said he would also forfeit Jackson's $3 million bail unless he appeared in court within one hour.

[AlecWest]

I don't see how he can not afford stuff when he still owns all the Beatles songs...

I've heard that this property has been used as collateral in a number of loans. But, only his accountants know if that's true or not.

[BJ_M]

Jackson has investment properties and a huge collection of antique and classic cars. But the bulk of his wealth hinges on his 50% stake in Sony/ATV Music Publishing, a music catalog that includes publishing rights to about 250 Beatles songs, as well as songs recorded by Elvis Presley and other popular artists.

Jackson purchased The Beatles' catalog for $47.5 million in 1985. In 1995, he pocketed nearly $100 million by selling a stake to Sony Corp. Jackson and Sony now hold equal stakes in Sony/ATV.

Sony declined to comment. But the catalog is believed to generate up to $80 million a year, and The Beatles' hits alone — still in widespread play — generate $30 million to $45 million a year. Jackson's own songs are held separately in Mijac Music, which also generates income for him.

Jackson borrowed nearly $200 million from the Bank of America in 2001, using his stake in Sony/ATV as collateral. Industry experts value the catalog at $600 million to $1 billion, based on sales of rival catalogs in recent years. Koppelman, a veteran music industry executive, says $1 billion is more reflective of Sony/ATV's worth.

"Buyers would be lining up around the block if it were ever put up for sale," Koppelman says. "And I'd be in the front of the line."

Song publishing rights are lucrative because of their increasing use in film, commercials, video games, TV shows and other venues. Like homes in hot markets, music catalogs with prime holdings continue to rise in value.

[ViRaL1]

the date on the magazine was AFTER the last time the kids were at neverland ..

which is such a glaring error - that it is evident the prosecution is just throwing everything out at the court and hoping some of it sticks and also just paints a bad picture of mj enough that the jury will ignore the facts ...

I'm not exactly behind Michael but definitely not against him either, BUT...aren't magazine dates usually later than their actual publishing date? I guess it really depends on how long after the fact the magazine was dated. I know I got my April issue of Stuff in the mail yesterday.

[adam]

If he used his Sony/ATV rights as collateral for a loan I'm sure it wasn't because he needed money, but rather for tax reasons. When you earn tremendous amounts of money each year its good to have debts on loans because you can deduct the interest on your debt. I'm sure his stake in that music catalogue is safe.

[BJ_M]

the date on the magazine was AFTER the last time the kids were at neverland ..

which is such a glaring error - that it is evident the prosecution is just throwing everything out at the court and hoping some of it sticks and also just paints a bad picture of mj enough that the jury will ignore the facts ...

I'm not exactly behind Michael but definitely not against him either, BUT...aren't magazine dates usually later than their actual publishing date? I guess it really depends on how long after the fact the magazine was dated. I know I got my April issue of Stuff in the mail yesterday.

it was confirmed in trial that this was the case, that the mags arived AFTER the last visit the kid had to neverland - plus they let the kid handle the mags in the grand jury - THEN they fingerprinted the mag after ..
This is sounding like OJ all over again ...


not making this up -- its all on courtTv and smoking gun and CNN/MONEY

[adam]

Well the boy is now saying that the magazine with his brother's fingerprints on it isn't even the one that MJ showed them, its just a similar one. Since it apparantly wasn't published until after the boys stopped going there, it seems obvious that the prints are only there because the boy touched them during the grand jury proceeding.

This is just idiotic. Its not that possibly probative evidence was tainted (no way to know whether fingerprints were made at Neverland Ranch or at Grand Jury proceeding); the magazine is just completely irrellevant altogether but the prosecution jumped all over it just because it had his fingerprints on it, even though they were added after the fact. If all this is true, the magazine means nothing and the fingerprints mean nothing.

This is indeed OJ all over again. You've got a guy who probably did it (well OJ definitely did it) and a bunch of tainted circumstantial evidence that is enough to cast doubt in the juror's minds. The difference though is that OJ only had to show reasonable doubt and MJ must show he is not guilty by a preponderance of the evidence. I still think he's probably screwed.

[Kunta Kinte]

If OJ definitely did it, why is he swinging a golf club in Florida? With the devastating hard evedence you have to send him to the joint and to say what you just posted, shouldn't you be on the phone to the LA prosecutor's office? Don't worry. If the evidence you have is solid proof he did what you say he did, it will open a new trial. Go get em, Adam!

[Noahtuck]

Okay, well i don't think MJ is Guilty or innocent, i have no opinion one way or the other but i do think they are on a witch hunt, we will just have to wait and see if they end up with any real or hard enough evidence to prove if he did anything wrong. Ya know, yeah, he is a little (okay alot) off the wall, but so what ??

as far as OJ is concerned.... yeah, not even going to go there but they botched that SOOoooo bad Hence my remark from my original post bringing up the point about the magazine & grand jury.
Another point i don't think anyone brought up or mentioned, was that the sherrif reportedly closed the case & said there was not enough to charge him with like 2-3 months before the P.A. decided to anyways

And we all have seen how well the police out there take care in their job's

[Shocker Milwaukee]

If OJ definitely did it, why is he swinging a golf club in Florida?

The prosecuting attorney gave the case away with the venue selection.

See: 'Outrage - The Five Reasons Why O.J. Simpson Got Away With Murder'. by Vincent Bugliosi

[ZAPPER]

And justice for all (of your money)


The thoughts or ideas as I see them on most justice systems and moralty kind of go like this. It is far better to let a guilty man go free than to punish an innocent man. I do kind of agree with this idea. We must be very certian of guilt before we commit to punishment. Over time we have set guidelines as to how we can prove ones guilt, this is what the courts see to as far as staying within those guidelines. Without modern courts or help from the sysyem I believe that true cofessions can be extracted from both MJ and OJ. While this will never happen, I do beleive that it could be done without extreme torture or physical pain. This is not a pretty thought for most people, and it should not be, what theese two have done is not pretty either.

Can I prove in a modern court useing only currently legal methods and restraints that either is guilty? Probally not. Could I and or a team of interrogators useing methods just outside of the law get a confession? You think about it.

Is my opinion biased? Yes.
I always liked OJ. But I still think that he is guilty. Maybe his ole lady had it coming to her, and no one cares, but I say that he is guilty.

I never liked MJ. But that is not why I think that he is guilty.

Another issue is the parents that put their children in harms way.

Give me the means and I would have confessions from all of the guilty. No it is not pretty. But not all of life is pretty.

Sorry you caught me on a bad day

[Noahtuck]

WOW!!! no offense... but i'm glad you're not in charge... i'd be screwed!!!!

And i am no fan of MJ either... never have been never will be.... but from everything i have read and seen, i don't think they have proved anything yet!!!

And you are gonna make me go and say it now
I also thought they pretty much proved OJ did it.... C'mon.... but, they screwed it up so bad!!!!!!!!!! he deserved to walk, and i don't think someone should get away with something like that but that is THEIR fault!!!!!
& i always did like OJ so it's not like i think he is guilty because i did'nt like him, because i never liked MJ, but i still don't think they have proved crap yet!!

[BJ_M]

the one thing you can say for sure -

is that MJ was stupid for getting himself into a situation where there could even be a HINT of improper actions ..

grown men just dont cavort around with under aged boys or girls in situations like this ...



Now that the bullet is out the bag about Lindsey Lohan and Bruce Willis doing the dirty together ... ....... ..

[MackemX]

when is the estimated end of this thing?

[Kunta Kinte]

Trees don't live that long.

[BJ_M]

6 weeks

[Ripper2860]

Boy's underpants in Jacko's porn stash!

[the bomb]

Do you remember where you put your underwear, Ripper?

[BJ_M]

he is thinking about it now -- i can feel those wheels turning :P

[the bomb]

BUSTED RIPPER

[adam]

Kunta Kinte you obviously didn't watch any of the OJ proceedings. Like I said, all of the circumstantial evidence they would ever need was there but due to some botched handling of it, (and a few other wild cards that got played) it was enough to raise reasonable doubt for the jury. That is why he walked on the criminal conviction but lost in the civil trial where it required more than a reasonable doubt to be found not guilty.

Clearly guilty people walk all the time for procedural or constitutional reasons or just because the judge or one of the attorney's makes a mistake. It is not easy to prove murder even when its obvious that it has been committed.

[Ripper2860]

Do you remember where you put your underwear, Ripper?

I don't wear any !!!



BTW -- I apologize for my absence -- had a dinner and movie date with the wife.

[the bomb]

You devil

[Rookie64]

the one thing you can say for sure -

is that MJ was stupid for getting himself into a situation where there could even be a HINT of improper actions ..

See, this is the thing with MJ - he continues to put himself in these situations because somehow in his mind he doesn't see anything wrong with it.

He himself is most incriminating out anything in this mess.


*He* made himself look bad in Martin Bashir's documentary (not Martin Bashir) and made himself look bad in his own rebuttal documentary.

He says all the wrong things in interviews - especially that he's most adamant about not only is it alright for a 46 year old man to sleep in the same bed with 12 and 13 year old boys but that it's the most loving thing in the world a person could do.

He has no intention of saying ok, maybe it's time to stop all this 'cause it looks wrong...instead, he continues to do it and is firm about it being right and a good thing.

He stated that if you took the children away from him, he wouldn't want to live anymore.

These are the things being ignored.

The problem is psychological and stems from years of abuse as a child.
These are the things that affected MJ's personality and influenced his odd behaviors.

You can't punish someone who doesn't believe they are in the wrong - in his eyes he doesn't see anything wrong with it...so why would he stop?

Locking him up may prevent him from sharing his bed with boys, but it isn't going to make the problem go away.

He needs years of therapy...and even that isn't going to resolve his problems.

He got away with a lot over the years, 'cause people didn't think too much about the stuff he was doing - he's a huge star and someone like that just wouldn't do anything like that, right? (or so they thought)


To others, he had a lot of money, and they could easily turn their heads and pretend not to notice anything unusual if it meant getting some money out it.

For many, Michael is an asset - they'll defend him no matter what, 'cause he's worth a lot of money to them...and we all know how greed plays into the Entertainment Industry


Not saying MJ is guilty of what he's being accused of but there is some truth in what is being said thru-out this case....he's guilty of something at the very least.

All these accusations just don't keep springing up for no reason or by chance.

[Kunta Kinte]

So if he's guilty of something (as you put it) so you think the system should lock him away on some trumped up charge? That's poetic justice. In the courts they deal with the real thing. So he's weird. You don't put him in jail for it.