DTS Audio CD to DVD Audio

[stalker11]

I have a copy of Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon on 5.1 Dts cd. The tracks on the cd are for play in a dvd player and whatever plays DTS off of cds, they are layed out as a normal audio cd in explorer (44 byte tracks). I recently got a copy of Wizard of Oz, so naturally I wanted to re-author Wizard of Oz with an extra audio track that would play Dark Side of the Moon in 5.1. Does anyone know how to rip the Dts audio cd for use on a DVD later on. I will most likely use DVD Maestro to auther the disc, I beleive it supports dts files, however, I don't care whether I get dts or dd sound, I want to keep the 5.1 though. Any help would be appreciated.

[Cornucopia]

As a DTS_5.1 AudioCD (or a AC3_5.1 AudioCD for that matter) is actually masquerading as a standard RedBook AudioCD, you should be able to rip the audio with a standard AudioCD ripper. This will give you the faux PCM/WAV files which are actually DTS_5.1 code with padding and WAV headers.

From there, you could try and see if SurcodeDTS/CD can decode as well as encode. This would then give you 6 WAVE files @ 44.1 kHz.

Then you would need to do a SampleRateConvert to get them to 48kHz, and then re-encode with SurcodeDTS/DVD (which is different than the CD version) to give you a standard DTS file usable in Maestro,etc.

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Another way would be to play back the CD through the CD/DVD player's digital out port and capture the analog audio of the 6 channels decoded from the receiver. Here you will either need a 6-channel audio card, 3 x 2-channel audio cards, or run the signal from 2 different channels in 3 or more passes into a standard 2-channel audio card and then sync them up again later (quite difficult, but possible). At this point they would be 6 WAVES @ 44.1kHz. Then repeat the last step mentioned above.

Sorry, but I don't think there is an easier way. Have you tried finding a current 5.1 DVD version of Pink Floyd? (DVD-Video or DVD-Audio). At least then the sample rate would probably already be at 48kHz.

HTH,
Scott

[daphy]

From there, you could try and see if SurcodeDTS/CD can decode as well as encode. This would then give you 6 WAVE files @ 44.1 kHz.

it´s an encoder - it can´t decode anything - sorry, that´s sure!

@stalker11
use the search on this board (f.e. "DTS" Author "daphy") - I think there must be about 10 threads or more (about once a week since I´ve joined this forum -> mods, where are you - I guess it´s time for a sticky thread ) pointing on this problem -> also some answers about solving it much, much easier without external realtime recording and so on ...

@ Cornucopia
your method will work of course, but needs lot of bassic knowledge (which/how to use a 6 channel recorder ...) I would prefer your method to make a security backup of a real DVD-AUDIO :P

bye Daphy

[Cornucopia]

Didn't mention it earlier, but since you said that the DTS encoder can't decode, it makes sense to spell it out now.

How to capture Multichannel Audio with a 2-Channel Sound Card

1. Use the best Sound Card available--preferrably SB Audigy2. Better to have 24bit/96kHz capability, esp. if coming from DVD-Audio or SACD.

2. Route LeftFront & RightFront outputs of your 6-channel receiver/decoder to Sound Card L+R inputs. Capture.

3. Route LeftFront & Center & Capture. (Don't adjust levels at all during change!)

4. Route LeftFront & LeftSurround, Capture.

5. Route LeftFront & RightSurround, Capture.

6. Route LeftFront & LFE/Subwoofer, Capture.

7. Load up each stereo file in Sound Editor of Choice. Crop each according to waveform of lead track (LeftFront). Make sure they all have same startpoint & length (down to exact sample)--Zoom in to help here.

8. Split stereo out to separate mono tracks. Remove duplicate LF tracks.

Now you have 6 separate wave files that can be used for PCM, or encoded to AC3, DTS, MLP, etc.

Scott

[RottenFoxBreath]

i assume the original poster means he has the SACD version of pink floyds album.?

[Noahtuck]

i assume the original poster means he has the SACD version of pink floyds album.?

Thats what i also thought.... because as my understanding goes SACD is way diff. from DTS.... & i have been wondering and looking for a long time on how to even copy a SACD.

[anzimike]

You might look at Hypercube Transcoder. It's freeware app that can perform dts conversions. It reqires that you have Intervideo Windvd on your system to decode (I don't so I could never get it to work) I made my "Dark Side of The Rainbow" using the 2 channel audio cd. Try about 700 ms audio delay.

[Cornucopia]

If I'm not mistaken, stalker11 actually does mean DTS-CD and not SACD. If it were SACD:
1. He wouldn't be able to see the disc/files in a computer unless he's seeing the CD layer.
2. As he says he sees the CD files (*.cda), a CD layer of an SACD would only have standard 2-channel audio, NOT surround.
3. He says he hears surround. That doesn't fit with the above.

For those who didn't know, you can encode specialty AudioCD's--called AC3-CD's and DTS-CD's--that have full 5.1 surround info.
For this to work, you have to take 6 wave files (at 16bit, 44.1kHz each) and encode them in their respective encoders. The output shouldn't be set to the default, rather a modified/padded wave file incorporating the codec.
So, e.g., instead of WAV-->AC3, you get WAV-->AC3WAV. Or WAV-->DTSWAV. Just like lots of other codec's that can be wrapped within a WAV file. These just happened to be padded so that the file length and size is consistent with a usual LPCM stereo WAV of the same duration.
This means Stereo WAV @ 1 min = 10.09 MB. 5.1 WAV = ~25.74 MB. Std AC3_5.1 @ 384kbps = 2.8MB. same AC3WAV = 10.09 MB.
These discs are burnt with the standard AudioCD methods.
Finished discs are to be played only with CD/DVD players that have digital out that can be routed to decoder (or similar feature with PC CD/DVD ROM drives). Output will be in surround.
***Do not play these in regular player!! Noise will result!!***

Scott

p.s. Hypercube Transcoder looks like the app that would be needed... 8)

[daphy]

you have to take 6 wave files (at 16bit, 44.1kHz each)

it also works with 24/32 bit -> surcode will encode these files into a 24bit DTSWAV :P
compare this posting

[Noahtuck]

If I'm not mistaken, stalker11 actually does mean DTS-CD and not SACD. If it were SACD:
1. He wouldn't be able to see the disc/files in a computer unless he's seeing the CD layer.
2. As he says he sees the CD files (*.cda), a CD layer of an SACD would only have standard 2-channel audio, NOT surround.
3. He says he hears surround. That doesn't fit with the above.

First off... the ONLY Surround cd of Pink Floyds DSOTM is a sacd/cd hybrid which is able to be either played on a standard cd player or a SACD capable player for the surround sound 5.1.
As far as i know there are no DTS versions of DSOTM.
I own the Hybrid SACD/CD of DSOTM And when played in my SACD player it is in 5.1 surround and in a PC it does only show the "cd layer".
Unless someone can show me somewhere to buy a DTS version of DSOTM... & if there is, it's not a legal official production.

[Dr_Layne]

Noahtuck is right. The SACD is the only official 5.1 mix of DSOTM. However there are unofficial DTS versions floating around. One from the quad LP release, two from quad 8 track release, the UK and US quads (they have different quad mixes) and one that was done using the SACD 5.1 mix done with a six channel sound card. Unfortunatley many people get taken by bootleggers thinking these DTS issues are official releases. Ebay, trade shows, independently owned record stores have tons of unofficial stuff. Heck even amazon.com has a bootleg PULSE dvd for sale.

To get back on topic, I'm unware of any software DTS decoder so the soundcard method is the only one I'm aware of.

Steve

[Cornucopia]

If I'm not mistaken, stalker11 actually does mean DTS-CD and not SACD. If it were SACD:
1. He wouldn't be able to see the disc/files in a computer unless he's seeing the CD layer.
2. As he says he sees the CD files (*.cda), a CD layer of an SACD would only have standard 2-channel audio, NOT surround.
3. He says he hears surround. That doesn't fit with the above.

First off... the ONLY Surround cd of Pink Floyds DSOTM is a sacd/cd hybrid which is able to be either played on a standard cd player or a SACD capable player for the surround sound 5.1.
As far as i know there are no DTS versions of DSOTM.
I own the Hybrid SACD/CD of DSOTM And when played in my SACD player it is in 5.1 surround and in a PC it does only show the "cd layer".
Unless someone can show me somewhere to buy a DTS version of DSOTM... & if there is, it's not a legal official production.

How does that go against what I said?

He may not have an "Official" disc, but it's definitely DTS-CD.
The SACD/CD hybrid of DSOTM may have 5.1 for SACD layer, but the std CD layer is regular 2-ch. stereo redbook tracks.
SACD layer won't show up in explorer, AFAIK.

BTW, before jumping this guy for getting a bootleg, it's possible that this was pressed in some other country where it's legal. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Noahtuck]

If I'm not mistaken, stalker11 actually does mean DTS-CD and not SACD. If it were SACD:
1. He wouldn't be able to see the disc/files in a computer unless he's seeing the CD layer.

Exactly!!!!

2. As he says he sees the CD files (*.cda), a CD layer of an SACD would only have standard 2-channel audio, NOT surround.
3. He says he hears surround. That doesn't fit with the above.

If you play any cd through a prologic rec. when set to pro-logic, it will play in surround, you will hear sound from all speakers. at least they always have through my systems, whether through a cd player or dvd player. whether through the digital connection or the r/l analog connections.
So if you played the DSOTM hybrid on a standard cd/dvd player it would have sound out of ALL speakers in pro-logic, which most rec. will default to even if set to DTS if there is not a DTS signal. and the DSOTM hybrid states it is in 5.1 which alot of people also refer to as DTS even though 5.1 & DTS are Diff. which i know most of us here know, but alot of people don't really distinguish between.

I just don't think he has an actual DTS cd. I know DTS cd's will show up as a standard cd in a cd-rom, i have the steve miller DTS cd.
You said you thought he did mean that he had an actual DTS cd and by what you explained you also kind of proved he did'nt, maybe i'm wrong.

I guess we would need to hear from him. Like has he tried playing it in a standard cd player ??

Otherwise he has some bootleg that someone mixed and made.
Or maybe someone decoded an SACD and made a DTS cd from it.
I imagine with all the titles on "silvers" i've seen that were never released on DVD and over the last year have been showing up in 5.1 i guess anything is possible

but it's definitely DTS-CD.
The SACD/CD hybrid of DSOTM may have 5.1 for SACD layer, but the std CD layer is regular 2-ch. stereo redbook tracks.
SACD layer won't show up in explorer, AFAIK.

From what he has said i don't think you can say FOR SURE that he has a DTS cd......

BTW, before jumping this guy for getting a bootleg, it's possible that this was pressed in some other country where it's legal. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt.

And i am in NO WAY jumping him about maybe having a "bootleg" I'm just trying to make sure exactly what he has because if he is looking at the hybrid sacd/cd he won't get a true 5.1 soundtrack ripped from the cd.

[Cornucopia]

Ok, I see where you're coming from, although some receivers have separate decoding/output paths for DTS and 2ch, wherein DPL/DPL2 wouldn't be able to process the DTS. Guess we need more info from the man...

Scott

[Noahtuck]

Cool!!!
I was not arguing, i just thought he has the hybrid and was thinking he was seeing the 5.1 on his PC and it was just the cd layer.

stalker11
Have you tried playing it through a standard cd player ? & if you did what did you hear ?