Dvd-r looses data`?

[Triton2003]

Has any1 hear that dvd-r discs looses its data after like 5+ years? My father told it to me last night and i was pissed off =( Is this correct? I thought these discs would last a life time if handled coerrectly

[Goober57]

Has any1 hear that dvd-r discs looses its data after like 5+ years? My father told it to me last night and i was pissed off =( Is this correct? I thought these discs would last a life time if handled coerrectly

Welcome to the club!

My Emtec disks started to fail after 6-12 months.

Made by CMC

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[Triton2003]

well i havent got any discs that looses data. I just heard that they would after like 5 years. Im using ritek media right now

[gll99]

Has any1 hear that dvd-r discs looses its data after like 5+ years? My father told it to me last night and i was pissed off =( Is this correct? I thought these discs would last a life time if handled coerrectly

It's not like a tape. You won't lose data. If a disc is good when written then the data will not fade away. The physical disc can become damaged for a variety of reasons so that it becomes unreadable but it will not just lose data. Aside from physical damage caused by scratches, heat and warping, no one really knows the life expectancy of a disc before it starts to break down and becomes unreadable. It's only conjecture when someone makes that kind of statement. In some cases discs have failed because they were borderline to begin with.
I tried some older cd's that my new drive had trouble reading and thought thay had gone bad but when I read them on my older system using the writer that originally created them they worked fine. There must have been an alignment issue between the two writers. I suspect that many so called bad discs could be explained this way.

[Triton2003]

ok. I live in Denmark and in was on the tv and everything. Guess its just bad romours then =/

[iooi]

Only time will tell......

[pluche]

well, my oldest DVD-R's are +- 3 years old - and they all still work fine
my oldest CD-R's are approaching the 5 years and still work fine
the only problem I had was with CD-RW

[Capmaster]

DVD recordables probably will last longer than commercially pressed DVDs.

I agree with gll99 - if it burns OK, chances are it'll stay OK

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=878017#878017

And I'm moving this to the Media forum ...

[lordsmurf]

DVD-R "losing" data is a myth at this point in time. If it verifies when it writes, then it'll be there later too, assuming no physical damage is done to the disc. Not every reader can read every disc either, so that's played a large part of the proliferation of the myth.

Myths, bullshit and conjecture seemingly make for better reading these days. Truth doesn't seem to be as interesting. What a world.

As far as "seeing it on tv", a story is only as good as the reporter.

Don't fret. Just use good discs, test them thoroughly after writing, store them safely, and you have nothing to worry about.

[aanaravs]

DVD-R "losing" data is a myth at this point in time. If it verifies when it writes, then it'll be there later too, assuming no physical damage is done to the disc. Not every reader can read every disc either, so that's played a large part of the proliferation of the myth.

Myths, bullshit and conjecture seemingly make for better reading these days. Truth doesn't seem to be as interesting. What a world.

As far as "seeing it on tv", a story is only as good as the reporter.

You mention that there different readers read discs in different ways. Are there any readers that are better than the others or is the difference insignificant?

[lordsmurf]

It's a lot like burners. Some react better with discs than others. For example, my BTC burner and LG ROM drives can read pretty much anything, while other ROM and burners I have will choke on varying media (usually Princo, LeadData and DVD+RW discs).

[Triton2003]

yea ive had problems with some medias (premium). crc error. It writes ok and movie can be watched. But some times i get pixel errors and sound errors. If i check it with dvdinfopro( think its called that) i get errors. And i cant make an iso of the disc. Anyways, just use media that ur burner can burn well on. I got a NEC 1300A and i use RITEK media. DOnt have problems with these

[chunkT]

Only way you will loose data if you expose the burn side to the sun or extreme cases of light for long periods of time, or you are a tight a$$ and buy cheapo media then you get what you pay for.. in that case junk.

[Triton2003]

Cheap media eh.. I just tested a RITEK disc and it had no errors. Then im fine right? Its not like the cheap medias wont last longer? Cheap media = burn errors right? (in some cases)

[samijubal]

I've got Optocrap RAM discs that used to work fine that are starting to go bad, so that myth that they won't go bad if they recorded OK to begin with isn't true. They are in cartridges, so it isn't physical damage, it's just cheap Optotrash discs.

[lordsmurf]

I've got Optocrap RAM discs that used to work fine that are starting to go bad, so that myth that they won't go bad if they recorded OK to begin with isn't true. They are in cartridges, so it isn't physical damage, it's just cheap Optotrash discs.

Phase change media, RAM, +RW, -RW, goes bad after a while, from repeated use.

Dye-based media, +R, -R, does not have repeated use.

Apples and oranges.

[Goober57]

or you are a tight a$$ and buy cheapo media then you get what you pay for.. in that case junk.

When I bought the Emtec disks I thought I was buying quality.
Bought over a thousand of their VHS blanks and didn't have
any problems.

Sometimes it's difficult to know until it's too late! Didn't know
at the time that the disks were CMCs. Also didn't know that
there were probs with the CMCs. That's why I'm here!!! :P :P :P

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[chunkT]

Cheap media eh.. I just tested a RITEK disc and it had no errors. Then im fine right? Its not like the cheap medias wont last longer? Cheap media = burn errors right? (in some cases)

Yes and in some cases the cheap media i.e. dye will probably deteriate worse then some other well known dye. To each their own but the old saying is more truth then fiction.. "You get what you pay for"

Ya ya I know most of you have minimum wage jobs, going to school blah blah but if you cant pay to play then dont cry when they fail. Just my 2 cents.

[samijubal]

I've got Optocrap RAM discs that used to work fine that are starting to go bad, so that myth that they won't go bad if they recorded OK to begin with isn't true. They are in cartridges, so it isn't physical damage, it's just cheap Optotrash discs.

Phase change media, RAM, +RW, -RW, goes bad after a while, from repeated use.

Dye-based media, +R, -R, does not have repeated use.

Apples and oranges.

They weren't used repeatedly, they were used once, they are still going bad.

[lordsmurf]

It's still the materials and then the quality of them (brand, media ID still applies here).

I've been there myself.

You have three kinds of media:
- pressed metal
- dye (metallic and organic, or mixed)
- phase change crystals

Each has different properties that determines their lifetime.

[Cornucopia]

I couldn't say about the Phase change media (-RW, +RW, RAM), but I know about Dye media. Alot depends on the type and quality of the dye and the correct-to-spec thickness of the protection layers.

I have DVD-R (authoring) discs (Pioneer) from 1999 that play fine and DVD-R (general) (Pioneer, Mitsui, TY) discs from 2000 and 2001 that play fine. I don't mess with low or even medium-quality stuff, cuz I got burned (pardon the pun) a while back on a batch of CD-Rs.

I have a number of CD-R's from 1996/97 that also play fine (Maxell, Kodak Gold, Verbatim).
Then in 2001, I got a 50-count batch of no-name brand discs for free. (They were meant to be promo releases, and had pre-printed on them, but there were some MAJOR typo's! They were going to chuck them). Anyway, Long Story Short, they burned fine and lasted 6 to 9 months before they started developing pinholes in the dye and most (not quite all) of them have since become TOTALLY unreadable, even doing a sector extract with ISObuster.

So as the saying goes (again): you get what you pay for.

Scott