i have finally solved my ati problem recording to 480x480 and evrything seem fine thanx to this forum, and than i did the multiplex in the tmpg and burned it in nero it played well on my apex 660 but it was strechted on my pioneer 525 do to the SDE problem which i found reading somewhere else, i also found a patch http://www.geocities.com/eby_vdo/ but i have no idea how to use it, what to change i am still new to this. i am using tmpgenc beta 12g please anyone help.thanx