Do sftwr DVD rips, copy original "created on" date

[Daniel Weirich]

Hi,

I'm a DVD author with discs for sale locally. They've become popular and now I'm wondering if I'm being pirated. I use a 1-1 duplicator to copy my master DVDs, which copies the same "Created On" date as the master. Was wondering if someone had a sftwr DVD copier, if there's a way to tell if they've copied my discs and are reselling them. If they used a sftwr ripper...wouldn't it have a new "created on" date from their computer, which would be "later" than my created on date? I need a way to prove they are stealing from me, since I own the copyrights on the material.
Thanks,

DW

[holistic]

...wouldn't it have a new "created on" date from their computer, which would be "later" than my created on date? I need a way to prove they are stealing from me, since I own the copyrights on the material.

Theoretically what you say is true. However it is simple enough to change the creation date in most burning software or change the computers date to match.
You best solution is to use a specify type of media or (as on the Fuji that I use) document the serial/batch number that exisits on the hub of some media.
If/when copies show up you may have evidence for legal procedings. Although it may not be worth you while.

[bazooka]

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[freestyler]

If they used a sftwr ripper...wouldn't it have a new "created on" date from their computer, which would be "later" than my created on date?

If a disc image is created from the disc (such as ISO read mode in DVD Decrypter) and then burned as a disc image (ISO Write in DVD Decrypter) the dates (created/modified) from the original disc WILL BE RETAINED on the burned disc. DVD Decrypter DOES COPY dates in ISO Read / Write Modes.

A DVD ripped and burned using DVD Shrink, on the other hand, will obviously contain different file dates and times and is readily visible in DVDInfoPro's Recording Date/Time (mm/dd/yyyy) field.

[jimmalenko]

I don't know the answer to your dates question, but can I ask why/how you believe you might be being pirated ?

[bazooka]

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[Daniel Weirich]

Thanks Everyone for the input. Bazooka....I guess you missed the part about people copying and "reselling" my work. As I understand it...the sftwr is designed for people to make backup copies of works they purchase, for their own use. If they copy it, repackage it, then resell it to people that come in to buy a DVD where I work (when I'm predisposed or not during my shift) and instead sell them a copy they've burnt from my original.....then that's plain old stealing and copyright infringement. It's not difficult to scan the artwork and the rest to look very close to what I've done. Why do you think Motion Picture and Record industry people put encryptions on their products? To prevent one person from buying one, then copying it for all their buddies for free, or even giving it away on the internet. This only leads to companies going out of business due to lost investments, and ultimately to crap products being only made, since that is the only quality of works that people will GIVE away or be able to afford to make. If you rationalize taking someone else's work and reselling it for their own profit without any of the work being done themselves other than copying it...then you live a very distorted existence, and perhaps YOU need to "get a life". You must've never put something together on your own that you were proud of, or that anyone would buy. Then you wouldn't even question what it is that I'm talking about, or maybe you just didn't understand the "reselling" issue. If you purchase one copy of something and make a copy for your own use....then you've violated no federal laws. Otherwise you have. You can tell yourself whatever you need to, but that'd make you a criminal that hasn't been caught yet. Ask the folks at Napster.
To everyone else out there that offered good advice...I thank you. The data #'s on the disc hubs is a helpful suggestion... rather than negativity. I'm happy to have a forum for such feedback. Thanks for your time.

DW

[bazooka]

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[adamthole]

I totally agree with the original author of this post.

Bazooka, get a life.

Stop copying other peoples DVD's and try to make your own. You just might understand why we don't like people copying (and reselling) our hard work.

Grow up.

[bazooka]

I totally agree with the original author of this post.

Bazooka, get a life.

Stop copying other peoples DVD's and try to make your own. You just might understand why we don't like people copying (and reselling) our hard work.

Grow up.

Whatever

[makntraks]

I was not discussing reselling, but copyright infringement does not =theft.

I believe it actually is theft if you do not get permission from the copyright owner and gain financially from said infringement....

IMO,
makntraks

[bazooka]

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[makntraks]

If I infringe your copyright, you have not lost said object.

True, I have not lost said object...but if someone buys something from me (a DVD in this case) and I OWN the content of said DVD (copyrighted material), then they go and make backups and sell them it is theft.... That person is taking $$ from the original poster......

I find your lack of understanding strange as you usually are correct in your responses to questions here...

makntraks

[bazooka]

If I infringe your copyright, you have not lost said object.

True, I have not lost said object...but if someone buys something from me (a DVD in this case) and I OWN the content of said DVD (copyrighted material), then they go and make backups and sell them it is theft.... That person is taking $$ from the original poster......

I find your lack of understanding strange as you usually are correct in your responses to questions here...

makntraks

There is no lack of understanding. I have worked out my differences of opinion, but like I said, if no backups were sold, then it is not theft.

Can we please drop this?

[Marvingj]

I personally agree with Bazooka, making a personal copy is stealing.

[Marvingj]

IS NOT STEALING!!!!!!!

[disturbed1]

Hi,

I'm a DVD author with discs for sale locally. They've become popular and now I'm wondering if I'm being pirated. I use a 1-1 duplicator to copy my master DVDs, which copies the same "Created On" date as the master. Was wondering if someone had a sftwr DVD copier, if there's a way to tell if they've copied my discs and are reselling them. If they used a sftwr ripper...wouldn't it have a new "created on" date from their computer, which would be "later" than my created on date? I need a way to prove they are stealing from me, since I own the copyrights on the material.
Thanks,

DW

Like posted above, use a certian type of media, and record the serial numbers on the hub.

What I do is, only use one type of DVD media for production. These are printable media, and for long runs, they are numbered on the printout with a watermark. It can be reproduced, but your average bootlegger wouldn't go through the trouble. And since the source images are our own creation, it is nearly impossible to duplicate, scanning the printed disc would not yield the same results.

You would also want to place a warning intro as the first play, much like what hollywood does to their movies.

Copying a disc is not illegal, but selling the copy is (depending on where you live )

I've never been concerned with someone dupplicating my work, and would actually careless if they did. I guess it's because the product is of high enough quality at the right price, it would cost you the same, if not more to replicate when compared to the original.

[tekkieman]

if they've copied my discs and are reselling them.

This is in the original statement, and I don't see an edit label, so I believe this is what the OP said in the first place.

Stealing. Period.

[makntraks]

If I infringe your copyright, you have not lost said object.

True, I have not lost said object...but if someone buys something from me (a DVD in this case) and I OWN the content of said DVD (copyrighted material), then they go and make backups and sell them it is theft.... That person is taking $$ from the original poster......

I find your lack of understanding strange as you usually are correct in your responses to questions here...

makntraks

There is no lack of understanding. I have worked out my differences of opinion, but like I said, if no backups were sold, then it is not theft.

Can we please drop this?

Read the original again...
He is concerned that people who buy from him are making copies of a DVD THAT CONTAINS HIS COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL then reselling them.... Just because he is not sure anything has been sold without his knowledge, it is fair for him to think that they will be....

That in a nutshell is theft and he loses....

Baz - go to Walmart, buy a Disney movie, then sell backup copies...
Maybe Mr. Eisner would be interested in purchasing a copy...

How much more clear can I put it??

With all due respect,
makntraks

[jimmalenko]

Well....

I'll just sidestep the friendly banter and ask this:

(I mean this with the best of intentions, so please accept what I say on face value)

For you to even consider that someone might be pirating your DVDs, surely you must have had some inclination, some sign/proof, that this is so ?

Or is it just a little bit of paranoia ?

You must have some reason to believe that this is so, otherwise you wouldn't have asked the question IMO.

[jimmalenko]

@Bazooka:

Why have you edited your posts ?

[lordsmurf]

Ripping creates new date.
On-the-fly does not.

End.

[jimmalenko]

You can easily doctor the date with nero anyway:

[bazooka]

Why have you edited your posts ?

I decided to shut-up and be less combative.

[jimmalenko]

Why have you edited your posts ?

I decided to shut-up and be less combative.

you'll get over it ... we all have