Adding Subtitles to a DVD with SubtitleCreator

[headless chicken]

First try DVDsubedit. It can change the colours and transparency. If transparency is on, they are invisible.

The subtitles are not fully opaque, but they are not transparent either. I guess I should just move the slider all the way to opaque and change the color?

Also, I get following error message for three different subtitles when importing the full domain DVD into dvdsubedit:
SPU # 798 starting at LBA 714844 (LBA 190572 of VTS_xx_2.VOB) is incomplete! Dropping it...
VCID: 1/16 StreamID 0x20

How do I make sure none of the subtitles are dropped?

[r0lZ]

When you see that message, you can be sure that one subtitle has been dropped (and that there are errors in the original stream). However, that doesn't mean that the dropped subtitle was visible in the original DVD. To verify if it is really missing, use the slider and the cursor keys to select the subpic that is just before the dropped one. You can see the current subpic LBA in the status window in the bottom left part of the DVDSubEdit window. Take a note of the current time, and select the next subpic. Again, note the current time. Play the original DVD in a good player, and see if it displays a subtitle between the two times. It it's the case, you have no luck!

[headless chicken]

When you see that message, you can be sure that one subtitle has been dropped (and that there are errors in the original stream). However, that doesn't mean that the dropped subtitle was visible in the original DVD. To verify if it is really missing, use the slider and the cursor keys to select the subpic that is just before the dropped one. You can see the current subpic LBA in the status window in the bottom left part of the DVDSubEdit window. Take a note of the current time, and select the next subpic. Again, note the current time. Play the original DVD in a good player, and see if it displays a subtitle between the two times. It it's the case, you have no luck!

The subtitles were dropped. DVDSubEdit gives me the subtitle # for each dropped subtitleand I checked before/after in the program compared to the original srt/sub file. How do I make sure the subs are not dropped in DVDSubEdit? Alternatively, is there another program I can use to edit my subtitles without having them dropped? (I need to raise the position, change the transparency and color)

[r0lZ]

I've explained how to verify if the subtitle has been really dropped.

There are no other programs that can edit the subtitles in place.

[headless chicken]

I've explained how to verify if the subtitle has been really dropped.

There are no other programs that can edit the subtitles in place.

I read your explaination but I can't do as you said (play the DVD in another player) because the subtitles are not visible. That's part of the whole reason I need to edit them in DVDSubEdit!

[r0lZ]

So, copy your unmodified DVD, edit the subpics on the copy, and verify the copy.

But it might be better to try to find the origin of the problem. I haven't read the whole thread, but if you did the subpic stream yourself, it might be a good idea to regenerate them, perhaps with another program, and to place them at the right place immediately.

You should try to avoid placing a subpic just before a cell (or chapter) change, as it should be included completely in one single cell. That might be the reason of the drops.

Note also that DVDSubEdit has a little bug when it needs to re-compress the subtitles, and they may look wrong or be totally absent on some hardware players. So IMO, it is always better to avoid the DVDSubEdit functions that recreates the subpics, such as cropping the background, importing modified subpics, and moving them UP (down is not a problem, and up is only a problem if the background covers the whole image and must be cropped at the top). Changing the transparency of the subpics is always safe, unless of course DVDSubEdit has dropped some subpics.

[headless chicken]

[...]it might be better to try to find the origin of the problem. I haven't read the whole thread, but if you did the subpic stream yourself, it might be a good idea to regenerate them, perhaps with another program, and to place them at the right place immediately.

Very good suggestion. I am trying to regenerate the sup with SubtitleCreator using the DVD Overlay feature to preview the output with PowerDVD version 5.0. I am having the same issue--when I load the VOB I cannot see the subtitles but when I stop the DVD (and the default background image is seen), the subs are visible. How do I ensure the subs are seen on the DVD itself?

[r0lZ]

I have never been able to use that damn DVD Overlay feature of Subtitle Creator, so I can't help on this point, but I suppose that if they are correctly placed, you should see them in the final DVD. I have never had real problems with the output created by SC. Take care however to place the subpics in the right area for a 16:9 movie. (IIRC, placing the subpic correctly on a 16:9 movie in SC is somewhat confusing, but I can't verify how to do it right now, as SC is not installed yet on my new Win7 system.)

[headless chicken]

Oh no! Yet another unexpected error/problem along this heinous process of adding subtitles.

Now when I open SubtitleCreator, an error message popus up right away saying:
Unhandled exception has occurred in your application. If you click Continue, the application will ignore this error and attempt to continue. If you click Quit, the application will close immediately.

Parameter is not valid.

Details

See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.

************** Exception Text **************
System.ArgumentException: Parameter is not valid.
at System.Drawing.Bitmap..ctor(Int32 width, Int32 height, PixelFormat format)
at System.Drawing.Bitmap..ctor(Int32 width, Int32 height)
at SubtitleCreator.RenderShadow.Render(RenderStyle renderStyle, Rectangle& subtitleArea, Rectangle& bitmapPosition, Subtitle curSub)
at SubtitleCreator.Subtitle.Render(RenderStyle renderStyle, Rectangle& subtitleArea, Rectangle& bitmapPosition)
at SubtitleCreator.Subtitle.Render(Rectangle& subtitleArea, Rectangle& bitmapPosition)
at SubtitleCreator.PreviewForm.OnPaint(PaintEventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.PaintWithErrorHandlin g(PaintEventArgs e, Int16 layer, Boolean disposeEventArgs)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmPaint(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Mes sage& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ContainerControl.WndProc(Mess age& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WndProc(Message& m)
at SubtitleCreator.PreviewForm.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.O nMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.W ndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)


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If I ignore the error and continue, neither the background nor the subtitles show up.
Now what?

[r0lZ]

Is it when you load the subpics at startup? If so, try to rename your subpic file to force SC to load its original demo subtitles when it starts, and see if the error happens also. It it's still the case, you might have to re-install SC.

[headless chicken]

It happens as soon as I open...no loading, nothing. The subs are already opened from the last session. I already uninstalled SC, rebooted, re-downloaded the installer, re-installed (several times), even updated Microsoft .NET. Nothing is working.

[r0lZ]

Maybe it remembers your file, and tries to show it when it start. It's why I suggester to rename it. Not sure if that can help, though.

[headless chicken]

Maybe it remembers your file, and tries to show it when it start. It's why I suggester to rename it. Not sure if that can help, though.

Reinstalled for the 5th time, renamed the subs and moved them to a new directory. Finally worked.

[headless chicken]

It made subtitles but they're not visible in the file muxed with ReJIG. Screw it. None of these programs function as they are supposed to!

[r0lZ]

Mux with muxman. I did many DVDs from AVIs with subtitles made by Subtitle Creator, and I muxed them with muxman. Never got any problem.

[Chosmin]

what settings use in SubtitlesCreator for NTSC and PAL (colors and positions)
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/239/ntscmodified.jpg
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/359/palf.jpg

[Wlake69]

Hello I'm new user I'm deaf I would like to add subitiles to DVD which has no closed captioned nor subtitles I need help to do it thanks! Some of my DVD movies has no cc nor subitiles