The Whatever Thread - Title Change

[Hatz]

Well put Northcat. I say taser the shit out him. I know people are pissed off about parents spanking and enforcing authority anymore but I can guarantee you that if my kids aren't going to listen to my mouth then they will listen to my hand.

That little ****** deserved it. Luckily he was only six and has a lot of time to change.....had he been any older he might have been able to really hurt someone seriously and it might not have been just a taser.

After they shocked him and subdued him, they then should have put him over their knee and spanked him for good measure.

Hatz

[northcat_8]

and certainly understand that sometimes the parents cannot control their children.

That's bullshit. Problem is that behavior has to modified when kids are young. It can't start at age 12. I know some kids have mental issues, but 90% can be handled by proper structure in the home.

However, I also realize that in today's society, too many parents wash their hands of the reponsibility of rearing a child and put it squarely on the schools to raise their child.

True-er words have never been spoken right there Ripper. It is a sad state of affairs. And I will even take it one step further for you, I've had kids in class who were very respectful to me and have always been that way, but will not hesitate one second to tell other teachers to "**** off". I wonder how some of the guys around here would handle a 13 year old squaring up on them, getting in their face and saying "**** you, you soft ass mother ******, if I see you on the street I'm cutting your ******* throat."

Truth is they don't know how they would handle that situation, because it is not something that is prevelant in their society. Upper to middle class societies don't see those issues, so they have idealisms on how the situation should or would be handled.

By the way, Brian, the kid who got in my face...he likes me now...I don't know why, I've been more strict with him than with anyother kid ever. I had Brian in class 2 years ago, when he made his threat, and he stops by to see me everyday, tells me about his weekend, or evening, just about anything and he says it in plain 15 year old inner city language. You might be wondering what my magical words were to Brian...all I said to him was "Can I be scared later? I promise I will be intimidated later, but I'm too busy to be afraid right now."

Go figure.

[sacajaweeda]

****'m. Hose 'em down with the pepper juice and then club the little fucktard like a baby seal, I say. That'll learn him.

[JohnnyCNote]

As the victim of a violent crime (check out the eye patch in my picture), I am all too well familiar with people who like to tell the world what they'd do in this or that situation. The truth of the matter is that no one knows what he'd do until he's in the situation. Otherwise it's just all talk.

In this instance we have a case where we've read a few paragraphs about a very complex episiode and people are reaching all sorts of conclusions as if they were much more familiar with the facts, which they are not. Usually these declarations are made only to reflect favorably upon their speakers, often at the expense of someone who's not around to present his side of the story......

[Capmaster]

Well said Johnny

It's a problem with having only a sound bite or a heavily edited blurb to go on.

Maybe more will come out on the story so we can get more of the details and have a better picture of how the situation had really played out.

[JohnnyCNote]

Thanks. The only thing we can conclude is that this kid acted very differently from most six year old's, and thus is probably very disturbed and in need of treatment....

[Ripper2860]

I understand that we do not have all of the facts -- but it seems obvious to me that these are opinions.

Opinion is defined as: a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty.

My opinion is that these are opinions -- not statements of fact. And I personally enjoy reading everyone's views.

[Capmaster]

Lets just hope that he gets the help he needs. Behaving like that at 6 is disturbing, but it's still young enough that it's not carved in concrete yet.

He's got a long way to go before he's an adult, and many things can change by then.

[gmatov]

Ripper,

"The little bastard" didn't stab any of the big bad guards. Although your other fear, that he could have slashed their jugulars is valid. The average 6 year old is about 3 feet tall, and, since they apparently had their heads up their asses, they were definitely at risk.

"Principal Maria Mason called 911 after the child broke a picture frame in her office and waved a piece of glass, holding a security guard back.."


"If someone was stabbing one of you with a piece of glass,"

Northcat, where did you see the kid as stabbing any body but himself?

Has the word "autistism" any meaning to any of you,or do you think it has something to do with cars? You think maybe it's possible that it was not the meds he DIDN'T take before he left home, but the meds he DID take, provided by the school pusher in the white suit, aka the school nurse, AFTER he got to school,that might have caused a psychological abberration?

Cap,

You give police, as a blanket statement, way too many kudos. Possibly 5 % are trained as peacekeepers. The rest are either incompetent or no good pricks for whom a uniform and a club and gun are Nirvana, and to not be held to account for their fuckups is unconscionable.

Yet there are guys like you who will say if he di'nt have nothin' to hide, he shun't have to worry. The cop is always right, there's no such thing as a BAD cop. Bullshit. You got a million cops, a million people who don't really work, just feed at the public trough, you got maybe 950,000 who revel in their power over the rest of the populace. "I got a gun, and a club and a Taser. Don't **** with me or I'll bust your chops."

The guy above whose buddies all bought "Tasers", bought low power "civilian" models, contact models, not anywhere near the same thing the cops use.

The company is under investigation for their testing methods, which, I think, involved shooting half a dozen pigs and saying they are completely safe. Over half a dozen deaths have been attributed to them.

news just now says Taser Intn'l says they are safe for use on anyone weighing more than 60 pounds. Does a 6 year old go over 60 pounds?

Ah, shit, why talk to you guys who make such asinine remarks?

Cheers,

George

[Capmaster]

We're so fortunate you're here to take stock in the validity of all our comments, since you're so eminently qualified. Now, you let us all know when we get "asinine" again, will you?

And the word is "Autism" George. If you're going to get self-righteous and start correcting all of us, at least be sure of your own information :P

[gmatov]

Cap,

Goddamn, that embarrasses me, started to type autistic, fucked up, didn't backspace enough, gave you an extra clip of ammo. Bang, bang. Too bad the little boy isn't here, you could use them on him, or maybe the 12 year old girl who was running into traffic, and the Florida cop, "Defender of the Defenseless", Tased her, too. Stopped her ass, raht naow, she ain't gonna be jaywalkin' on my beat.

Believe me, I will check veracity wherever it lacks. You lie, I will try to nail you or any other "prevaricator", and since the Cobra is on your side, will consider it an "heroic deed".

As an aside, how'd you get him to cover your ass?

Cheers,

George

[sacajaweeda]

You're such a charmer, George.

[thecoalman]

I don't think any of us can say whether it was right or wrong cause we weren't there, maybe it was the right decision. From what I read tasering the 12 year old sounds plausible simply because it was probably the quickest way to get to her..... but again I wasn't there.

Tasering a 6 year old who is in a room and can't go anywhere seems just to be a little bit of overkill to me.

[northcat_8]

"If someone was stabbing one of you with a piece of glass,"[/b]

Northcat, where did you see the kid as stabbing any body but himself?

Has the word "autistism" any meaning to any of you,or do you think it has something to do with cars? You think maybe it's possible that it was not the meds he DIDN'T take before he left home, but the meds he DID take, provided by the school pusher in the white suit, aka the school nurse, AFTER he got to school,that might have caused a psychological abberration?

No.......NO.....that statement wasn't made in the story, however, I'm pretty sure at 6 that the child was having some kind of "episode" and not being in a normal state of mind, his person would be referenced in the 3rd person. I'm sure he didn't want to hurt himself, but as sometimes happens, environments escalate and people (the 6 year old) feel backed into a corner and will do things that they normally wounldn't do, even to themselves. So my statement was in reference to the straight minded boy and not the angry child that the police were dealing with...The statement "if someone was stabbing you" the you references yourself, the "someone" could be anyone, in this case the "someone" is the out of control 6 year old cutting himself....try to keep up gmatov.....I thought you of all people would have been able to understand the reference

Where in the story do see where the boy was Autistic? I have experience kids with many issues including overdosed on several different drugs, those kids are not in their right mind and the person you talk to when they aren't high is a very different person than you talk to when they are ripped. Hence, the 2 person reference

Cap,

You give police, as a blanket statement, way too many kudos. Possibly 5 % are trained as peacekeepers. The rest are either incompetent or no good pricks for whom a uniform and a club and gun are Nirvana, and to not be held to account for their fuckups is unconscionable.

Then why don't you do something about it? Since you are such a "well trained peace keeping" know it all, join the force, straighten it out, or are you like 95% of society?...rather sit back and bitch, than do something about it.

[hech54]

gmatov....PLEASE remove the fact that you are from Pittsburgh from your profile. Seeing that you and I are from the same town in each and every paranoid post you put up here makes me want to puke.

[VCDHunter]

What kind of twat needs a taser to take on a six year old child ? Still I've seen the little shits running amok around ASDA so maybe it has some merit. I'll bet he got some shit back at the station and imagine the kudos the kid got in the playground !! Can't we just fit those nasty electric dog collars to unruly kids ?

All together now "Save the children !"

[northcat_8]

gmatov....PLEASE remove the fact that you are from Pittsburgh from your profile. Seeing that you and I are from the same town in each and every paranoid post you put up here makes me want to puke.

Not to thread jack...but how about MY STEELERS!!!!!!!!

In response to VCDhunter - **** THE CHILDREN :P

[VCDHunter]

In response to VCDhunter - **** THE CHILDREN :P

I'd be careful with that, Jacko has tried but seemed to have gotten himself into a spot of bother.

Anyway, I think thats just the maths teacher talking.

Do you have a taser ? Or do you still carry the .357 ?! :P

[SquirrelDip]

**** THE CHILDREN :P

So, how cold does it get there?


Without the any follow-up information I'm going to have to side with the officers. If it is warranted, then an investigation will proceed and the actions of the police will be scrutinized.

Why point fingers to the officers when all you're doing is speculating the details? As for myself, I'm amazed that the officers had to use a taser - I'm not doubting their decision.

[northcat_8]

In response to VCDhunter - **** THE CHILDREN :P

I'd be careful with that, Jacko has tried but seemed to have gotten himself into a spot of bother.

Anyway, I think thats just the maths teacher talking.

Do you have a taser ? Or do you still carry the .357 ?! :P

It's a S&W .45 Auto Stainless and I'm getting pretty accurate with it...not as accurate as I am with my 30-30 but they frown on me shooting students with high powered rifles in school

I don't like the concept of a taser, it's like fishing with dynomite. Once the person is incompacitated that makes taking them easy...where's the sport in that??

[Capmaster]

In response to VCDhunter - **** THE CHILDREN :P

I'd be careful with that, Jacko has tried but seemed to have gotten himself into a spot of bother.

Anyway, I think thats just the maths teacher talking.

Do you have a taser ? Or do you still carry the .357 ?! :P

It's a S&W .45 Auto Stainless and I'm getting pretty accurate with it...not as accurate as I am with my 30-30 but they frown on me shooting students with high powered rifles in school

I don't like the concept of a taser, it's like fishing with dynomite. Once the person is incompacitated that makes taking them easy...where's the sport in that??

It's not nearly as much fun putting a few rounds in them while they're on the floor writhing and twitching. Much more sporting when they are running away ....or shooting back (even better)

[VCDHunter]

I don't like the concept of a taser, it's like fishing with dynomite. Once the person is incompacitated that makes taking them easy...where's the sport in that??

Yeah I know, what is wrong with a good old fashioned baton beating ? Or maybe just calling for a canine unit to back him up ? Hell don't these guys carry CS ?

[fritzi93]

I'm amazed that the officers had to use a taser - I'm not doubting their decision.

Me too. I read stories like this and think "I don't remember things like that from my chilhood, or even hearing about such things, --ever."

Upon further thought I realize things never got that far- a troubled kid would be expelled long before. It got the parents' attention all right: "What do we do now?". The schools weren't obligated to deal with your little horror, not much you could do about the school refusing responsibility. This had a powerful effect on other parents, other children.

My wife is a teacher, just trying to hang on 'til retirement. Administrators do little about problem kids, so they remain to disrupt the education of the others. ( IF they do anything, the kid gets sent to some quack doctor for an automatic Ritalin prescription). Worse, any attempt by the teacher to turn a kid around arouses the opposition of parents, not their support. My wife will come home broken-hearted from parent/teacher conferences and say "That kid is a goner." Probably.

It's very sad. I suspect troublemakers must be put in separate, highly-disciplined schools. If for no other reason than for the benefit of other children. But the political climate seems averse to that.

I am astounded that a six-year old could be so troubled. It's possible, I guess, that there are medical causes, but why now and not a generation or two ago? My wife says almost half of the kids in some classes are on Ritalin or something similar. Doesn't seem to be improving things.

[beavereater]

In Japan, I've seen teachers grab kids (High school) by the throat when they make rude or hostile comments. Even if they DO tell parents, parents do nothing because they are ASHAMED that their kid did anything bad.

I don't know what kinda of situation they were in in detail, but we have all this time to think about it, while they have seconds to reacte to the situation. Better a little shocked that stuck with glass in him.

If I were waving glass around, my mom would've been at the school with her taser gun ******* me up "WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK YER DOING BEAVE!!"

[bazooka]

what is wrong with a good old fashioned baton beating ?

They treat you like a king.

[LSchafroth]

It was the right thing to do for the safety of him and others.

Anyone who thinks it was bad, get a clue.

LS

[bazooka]

It was the right thing to do for the safety of him and others.

Anyone who thinks it was bad, get a clue.

LS

Uhhh no.

It was the wrong thing to do.

Tasers have killed people.

The boy could have been killed.

The police would have a lawsuit on their hands.

[CoasterCreator]

I have delt with mentally challenged kids and the once I felt they got out of hand and our tone of voice changed or when we got serious and told them to stop ,,,,they would understood that what they were doing is unaccetable ...so with that said I would aim at his little nutsak and shock away...

[northcat_8]

The schools weren't obligated to deal with your little horror, not much you could do about the school refusing responsibility. This had a powerful effect on other parents, other children.

My wife is a teacher, just trying to hang on 'til retirement. Administrators do little about problem kids, so they remain to disrupt the education of the others. ( IF they do anything, the kid gets sent to some quack doctor for an automatic Ritalin prescription). Worse, any attempt by the teacher to turn a kid around arouses the opposition of parents, not their support. My wife will come home broken-hearted from parent/teacher conferences and say "That kid is a goner." Probably.

It's very sad. I suspect troublemakers must be put in separate, highly-disciplined schools. If for no other reason than for the benefit of other children. But the political climate seems averse to that.

I am astounded that a six-year old could be so troubled. It's possible, I guess, that there are medical causes, but why now and not a generation or two ago? My wife says almost half of the kids in some classes are on Ritalin or something similar. Doesn't seem to be improving things.

I'm trying to hang on until retirement too. Only 21 years left I doubt I make it. Matter of fact, I don't really want to.

As I said before, about the development of a 6 year old's mind...I was correct on that, which means the behavior displayed has been exhibited to him before...he has seen that behavior somewhere...that's a pretty fucked up homelife or social structure.

It simply amazes me that in the mid-80's schools still had corporal punishment, teachers would put their hands on you and put your ass straight against the wall for acting a fool. Not today my friends, the same people who came out of those systems evidently came out alright and then sought to change the very process that created them. And now, if a kid is going bezerk in my class, I can give him detention, I can send him to the office (but he doesn't have to go, and I can't make him), so all I can really do is ask him to leave, and if he doesn't want to, then it's just tough luck for me until the police officer who is assigned to the school comes down and physically takes them out of the room.

Some kids today have no concept of "cause and effect" and do not realize that their actions can carry repricussions, and when the reprecussions come down on them, then you are treating them unfair.

ATTENTION ADULT SOCIETY: Parenting is more than just ******* your baby's momma.

[bazooka]

Well said sensei.