I did not get that job.

[VideoTechMan]

Im sorry to hear that you didnt get the job bazooka. Like you said, its a catch-22 deal, because most places dont want to be bothered with you if you have no experience, yet you cant the experience if you cant get the job, right? It really sucks.

I dont have much faith in the job system; too many people want too much, and nowadays its no longer what you know but who you know these days. Alot of the employers dont consider you for anything unless you have a piece a paper saying you know how to do something.

And those interviews are a complete joke, and a waste of time. Personally I hate them, especially when I waste my time and dont get the job. Thats why I gave up my job search, for now.

VTM

[offline]

Pure IT has all but gone to shite. Offer yourself to some
of the small retail shops in your area. Let them know
you are prepared to do onsite and suggest a rate. When they'll get busy they will try you out - no problem. Go
to all the IT expo's and shows - shove your business
card around so that you become known. Cert's don't
buy you a job.

Maybe you need to think about a mixed skilled
IT job?

Think govt sector, not just private. Think
schools and universities.
Are you good at science? Do a short course on lab
work and get yourself into the school/ research
market. Do a cheap business course & look at
HR or marketing. What about accounting? Basic
accounting courses are cheap and will get you
an admin/it position.

[vitualis]

I've never worked in the IT industry, but presumably, job application processes are mostly similar.

People here seem to have a somewhat dismissive attitude towards certification / degrees. IMHO, that is a very unproductive attitude.

Yes, you may well KNOW as much as another candidate with a certification in something or other, but you are at a disadvantage already. Why? Simply, the other candiate not only has the proof that they have the ability to complete the work required to get the certificate, but furthermore they had the drive and initiative to actually DO it.

An interview is not a very long time to get to know someone and many people do well in interviews for good jobs. Most smart people KNOW how to do well in an interview. In those situations, your references and credentials (i.e., certification) matters.

Regards.

[stiltman]

Let's put it this way cap.

To get all the cert's which I am qualified for, it would cost several thousand dollars.

BS

MCSE = 6-7 tests @ $100 (can be had for $ 70 sometimes)
CCNA = 1 test @ $100 (can be had for $90 sometimes)
A+ = 2 test @ 50 a piece

You said you were qualified, so their is no reason to spend any money on classes

You forgot Network+,Redhat Cert, and the fact that I was also shooting for CCNP, and, CCIE.

CCNP = 4 tests @ $100
You don't need Net+ if you have CCNA or CCNP

You better look at the prereqs for CCIE. There's no way you can get it unless you've been doing high end router work for a certian period of time. If memorey servers me right, at leats 4 years.

BTW, the Redhat cert is useless

[ViRaL1]

There's no reason to get them all right away on your own dime anyway. Get a couple basic ones to get started, then let your job pay for the rest.

[bazooka]

I think my instructor is going to pay for my ccna.

[ViRaL1]

Kick ass!

[bazooka]

I just remembered something.

I have repaired the office computer of my apartment complex twice.

That could help me out.

I need to put it on my resume.

[zzyzzx]

I'm curious as to how many resumes you have sent out in your job search so far. When i was an engineer I would send out something like 5000 (which is why I'm no longer an engineer).

[bazooka]

It is close to 2000.

I royally hate getting e-mails from sites saying pay me 35 dollars and we will distribute your resume.

I can submit my own resume and save 35 bucks that I do not have.

Why would I pay them 35 bucks when I am currently jobless.

[stiltman]

I'm curious as to how many resumes you have sent out in your job search so far. When i was an engineer I would send out something like 5000 (which is why I'm no longer an engineer).

I wish I could send out that many, but unfortunately there are not that many open positions or even companies to send them too

[smearbrick1]

Certs can be a bit of a double-edged sword. I know that, around here, certs used to be everything. That was until everyone and their great grandmother started offering computer certification training. Not only that, but without prior computer experience! Now, what you have, is a job market loaded with morons with certificates who don't know the difference between Token ring and DHCP (I couldn't think of a good comparison). Point is; now certs are everything, if you have the resume' to back it up. Before, your resume' didn't really mean craft as long as you had the certification. Fortunately, where I work, certification isn't everything.

[zzyzzx]

Now, what you have, is a job market loaded with morons with certificates who don't know the difference between Token ring and DHCP (I couldn't think of a good comparison).

Like when i got my Electrical Engineering degree I noticed that most of the other EE's couldn't solder. D-oh.

[bazooka]

Now, what you have, is a job market loaded with morons with certificates who don't know the difference between Token ring and DHCP (I couldn't think of a good comparison).

Like when i got my Electrical Engineering degree I noticed that most of the other EE's couldn't solder. D-oh.

How on earth did they get the job if they couldn't do an easy thing such as solder?

[Capmaster]

Now, what you have, is a job market loaded with morons with certificates who don't know the difference between Token ring and DHCP (I couldn't think of a good comparison).

Like when i got my Electrical Engineering degree I noticed that most of the other EE's couldn't solder. D-oh.

How on earth did they get the job if they couldn't do an easy thing such as solder?

They're part of a breed that is looked down upon ...the "book smart - lab dumb" engineers. We try not to associate with their kind

[bazooka]

I can solder, and I am a network engineer.

[Capmaster]

I can solder, and I am a network engineer.

Then you paid attention in lab 8) I'll bet you can even do a Western Union wire splice

[bazooka]

Yes.

[CoasterCreator]

ok then I will send you a few x-boxes and a few PS2 consoles

[Capmaster]

Yes.

I knew it. Bazooka ...you're just too good.

Maybe that's why these companies won't hire you ...they want incompetent, ignorant young engineers that don't know dick ...esopecially about what a decent starting pay is :P

[ZAPPER]

I am a little confused.
To me an engineer is the guy with the slide ruler, a pencil pusher and number cruncher. White collar keep your hands clean type that thinks and assumes responceability for the calculations.
A technician is the guy that does the hands on the hardware type stuff, solder, probe, wiggle the wires and what have you.
A degree is just to show that you have the ability to learn and accomplish tasks or goals.
A resume ain't about shit. If you can't stand up straight and walk like a man you are going to have a tuff time getting a job. 2000 resumes, man get a bucket and a squeegee and start cleaning windows for $7 bucks each side of each window

[bazooka]

I am a little confused.
To me an engineer is the guy with the slide ruler, a pencil pusher and number cruncher. White collar keep your hands clean type that thinks and assumes responceability for the calculations.
A technician is the guy that does the hands on the hardware type stuff, solder, probe, wiggle the wires and what have you.
A degree is just to show that you have the ability to learn and accomplish tasks or goals.
A resume ain't about shit. If you can't stand up straight and walk like a man you are going to have a tuff time getting a job. 2000 resumes, man get a bucket and a squeegee and start cleaning windows for $7 bucks each side of each window

And a duck goes quack.

What does walking like a man and standing up straight have to do with anything?

I am a man and I walk straight.

Listen very carefully......I am a computer network engineer. That means I build computer networks.

I am more than just a technician.

Most employers want a resume.

A window cleaning job does nothing.

I am looking for a job in my field.

What is there to be confused about?

The degree I get next month is a network engineering degree.

If you were just flapping your lip, then go elsewhere.

Your talking out of your rear end is not appreciated in this thread.

[ZAPPER]

My apologies. I meant no insult or harm. Unfortunately my reply was taken differntly than I had intended.

My definitions of engineers and techs still stand, with no disrespect to either.

Your degree will show that you can attain goals.

"A resume ain't about shit. If you can't stand up straight and walk like a man you are going to have a tuff time getting a job." This was intended as a refrence to the fact that some people can present a resume that makes them look like they can do anything but really can't do shit. The "if you" part was in general, not you specifically. "Walk like a man" in this case was meaning that someone will have to know their shit, and be able to prove it in order to get and keep the job.

2000 resumes seems like alot to me. I don't beleive that you can make one resume and send it out to every one in the phone book. I thought that you had to (or should ) tailor each resume to the company that you are seeking a position with.

I thought that 2000 resumes was a joke and it made me think that you were desperate for anything. That is what the wisecrack about window washing was for.

I do hire and fire people, I see some of your qualities, Pro and Con.

I was just flapping my lip and talking out of my ass. I did wish you good luck in a previous reply. And I will bow out of your thread.