Hollywood to Sue Pirates

[shelbyGT]

Hollywood to Sue Pirates

Well, it was on the front page of CNN today, making me believe that it is news. However, if it's already been mentioned, sorry!

[Capmaster]

This one was posted about the bill allowing lawsuits against song-swappers:

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=239220

but your topic covers the Hollywood intentions, so it's different enough to not be considered a double-post

[shelbyGT]

I just have to say that downloading a 4 gig file just seems a little much to me. Aww well, to each their own! I, for one, don't have the patience.

[BobV]

I just have to say that downloading a 4 gig file just seems a little much to me. Aww well, to each their own! I, for one, don't have the patience.

I agree, and I really can't see the DVD industry loosing much to this type of piracy. However it's their dime.

[stiltman]

I just have to say that downloading a 4 gig file just seems a little much to me. Aww well, to each their own! I, for one, don't have the patience.

Yes but it wont be too long before the pirate start upping movies just like video games. They chop the hell out of them, convert it to all sort of highly compressed formats, then give you instructions (batch files) to convert it back. All to save a ton of space.

I see the same thing happening with DVDs if it hasn't already going on now...Covert it to avi, same with the menus and subs. then let you convert it all back again to the same files.

[hhhhbk]

its already a problem
and with lines getting ever faster its just gonna get worse
uk doesnt have great internet and yet on a 3mb blueyonder line for £50 odd quid a month 4 gig of transfer would take 3-4 hours so full dvd downloads are becoming ever more possible especially for swedish people with 10mbit lines each way

[shelbyGT]

if you are going to illegally copy it, a blockbuster movie pass and 100% quality would make more sense.

[painkiller]

All the more reason for the industry to convert to either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray for HDTV recordings - then drop DVD (new programs).

Why waste further time and effort since the cat has long left the bag?

The FCC had originally set a "jump point" for local & broadcast media to changeover to hdtv anyway - just push it along.....

[shelbyGT]

well, it is only a matter of time before the next blu-ray to avi guide comes out.

[bugster]

Internet movie piracy is happening and has been for a while, just not to the same extent as music in mp3 format. Divx has been around a few years now and well encoded a 2 hour movie can look pretty good in a gig or 1 1/2 Gig file. Full DVDr images and files are also available if you know where to look and have the available bandwidth/patience to download them. I expect full DVD 9's to be found on the internet in the next few months as DVD 9 burning becomes affordable and bandwidth gets ever cheaper.

It had to happen, the movie industry are simply following the RIAA's lead. Will it stop internet based Piracy? I doubt it, but it might put a few gullible or easily scared people off.

[Gurm]

They're wasting their money.

The RIAA claims their campaign is successful - largely due to scare tactics. At this point they can't actually get any information on any users without the lengthy wait involved in "due process" since their automatic subpoena machine was shut down by the SAC.

[TenaciousJP]

I wouldn't be surprised if this wave of attack is botched up, and several innocent people are accused of swapping movies. I've read about dozens of people who were wrongly accused during the song-swapping fiascoes, and they had to jump through so many (expensive) hoops to clear their names, especially when the industry twisted around the "evidence" to match their agenda.

Well, I just hope that I, or anyone else here who's innocent, doesn't mistakenly get swept into the dust bin with this matter.

[adam]

The RIAA claims their campaign is successful - largely due to scare tactics. At this point they can't actually get any information on any users without the lengthy wait involved in "due process" since their automatic subpoena machine was shut down by the SAC.

It doesn't really take any longer to get the personal info from the isp's it just involves a little more paper work and a little more in filing fees. They used to file suits under "John Doe" and subpoena personal info for the isp's for multile users. Now they just have to file suit for each individual who they want to investigate. Just more of a hassle but it doesn't actually change anything because they already know whether you've been illegally sharing files (they don't care about downloading) so its not like they are going to file suit unless its a slam dunk case. In my opinion all this litigation is working exactly as planned. People are afraid to use P2P now. There is really no defense if you get caught illegally sharing files, you just have to buy them off which could cost 10's of thousands of dollars. I think we are actually going to see a decent drop in pirating over the next year.

[bazooka]

In my opinion all this litigation is working exactly as planned.

Wrong. Recent studies prove otherwise.

People are afraid to use P2P now.

Wrong again.
http://p2pnet.net/story/2901
http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,65427,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1
http://www.caida.org/outreach/papers/2004/p2p-dying/
http://www.boycott-riaa.com/article/14799
http://www.eff.org/share/

I suggest you do more research before saying that it is working, and that people are afraid to use it.

[handyguy]

It's a question of whether it's more enjoyable to watch a film you didn't pay for or for one you did.

[vcd4ever]

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vcd4ever.

[bazooka]

I wouldn't be surprised if this wave of attack is botched up, and several innocent people are accused of swapping movies. I've read about dozens of people who were wrongly accused during the song-swapping fiascoes, and they had to jump through so many (expensive) hoops to clear their names, especially when the industry twisted around the "evidence" to match their agenda.

Well, I just hope that I, or anyone else here who's innocent, doesn't mistakenly get swept into the dust bin with this matter.

The movie industry has already made mistakes.

They mistakenly sent cease and desist letters to Linux Australia to take down grind and twisted thinking they were the movies.

Grind is short for Valgrind and is a linux Program.
Twisted is also a linux program.

[TenaciousJP]

The movie industry has already made mistakes.

They mistakenly sent cease and desist letters to Linux Australia to take down grind and twisted thinking they were the movies.

Grind is short for Valgrind and is a linux Program.
Twisted is also a linux program.

Wow, just wow...

I can't believe some of the mistakes that the movie industry is making. With idiots like that in the movie industry, it's a wonder that it is still going.

This is the kind of stuff that I'm afraid of. For all we know, they'll try to sue everyone here. Their explanation:

"This is a place to learn about and discuss DVD and CD media. Pirates use DVD and CD media to distribute their wares. Therefore, you are guilty. Don't even try to defend yourselves. Somehow, we have records of you downloading illegal material, even when you really haven't. But, we're losing money, and someone has to pay. Might as well be you..."

Ugh, it's just scares me and sickens me...

[bugster]

"This is a place to learn about and discuss DVD and CD media. Pirates use DVD and CD media to distribute their wares. Therefore, you are guilty. Don't even try to defend yourselves. Somehow, we have records of you downloading illegal material, even when you really haven't. But, we're losing money, and someone has to pay. Might as well be you..."

Ugh, it's just scares me and sickens me...

Change that to:- not making as much money as we would like would probably be nearer the mark

[TenaciousJP]

Change that to:- not making as much money as we would like would probably be nearer the mark

(smacks self on head)

You're right, Bugster. That wording is much better. I mean, if the movie industry is losing so much money, then how the heck are they still in business, right?

If piracy becomes such a problem that the movie industry is going to shut down, then there is really something to worry about. But, I guess that the movie industry forgets that when their films hit DVD, they tend to sell well. I mean, it's common to see movies sell millions of DVD and VHS copies the first day of release now. Even movies that didn't make a profit end up making one when they hit home video. Seems like the movie business is still healthy.

This is a good discussion going on. It's great to have such a great group to chat with.

[satviewer2000]

When HD-DVDs and the new players come out, an entirely new form of encryption will be in place. They will not likely make the same mistakes as they did with DVDs. It will be much more difficult for someone to break the new encryption codes this time around (if not impossible). Just look at the new encryption scheme for satellite TV, which has not been "cracked" for years in Europe.

So borrowing and copying a HD-DVD movie will not be simple as is currently done with DVDs. At most, one might be able to make a "SVHS" copy of the HD-DVD, but then what's the point of doing that? There are no HD recorders which have component (RGB) inputs, and there will unlikely be any in the future due to the MPAA.

[bazooka]

It will be much more difficult for someone to break the new encryption codes this time around (if not impossible).

It is just a matter of time before the encryption is broken. They are wasting their time and money with encryption to begin with. As I said b4, you cannot compete with a world full of hackers.

[adam]

You seem to have a major axe to grind bazooka. So do all of the sites you quoted from, so forgive me if I'm not particularly moved by their propaganda.

BTW, an opinion can be many things but it can never be wrong. Chill out.

[bugster]

For every news article that claims P2P and/or pirating is on the up, another will be found to say it is on the decline.

Hears another one just for fun:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19529

[bazooka]

You seem to have a major axe to grind bazooka. So do all of the sites you quoted from, so forgive me if I'm not particularly moved by their propaganda.

BTW, an opinion can be many things but it can never be wrong. Chill out.

I am ok. Read my pm.

[Gurm]

New encryption? Unbreakable?

If player software can unlock it (and they WILL release licensed player software, of course) then it can be decrypted. WORST case scenario is that it can only be decrypted in realtime, as opposed to the 16x we're all enjoying now.

DeCSS is a half-page of code from a 15-year-old hacker.

The reason that the European satellite code hasn't been broken yet is that it's hard to get at. A DVD lives in a drive on your computer. You have unlimited, simple access to it - and to the software that already decodes it! Hackers with SoftICE will see how the encryption scheme works 10 minutes after the first player is released.