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  1. I am interested in purchasing Final cut pro. Any thoughts? It is a good chunck of change and I want to take every precaution before I take the plunge.

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    well first you have to have an apple computer ...


    it is a good program, so is vegas on a pc and right now you can get avid express for 100$ (i guess their sales are getting killed - it used to be 2 grand) and premiere pro 1.5 is also pretty good ..

    if you have an apple already -- FCP is about the only way to go ...
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    I agree. Premiere is no longer made for the Mac because FCP over threw it. You can get Avid Express DV for free for the Mac, but it sucks beyond all belief.
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  4. So is final cut worth it? 999.00
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    Originally Posted by BJ_M
    well first you have to have an apple computer ...


    it is a good program, so is vegas on a pc and right now you can get avid express for 100$ (i guess their sales are getting killed - it used to be 2 grand) and premiere pro 1.5 is also pretty good ..
    Avid Xpress Pro is still 2 grand. It's like Ulead Video Studio und Ulead Media Studio Pro. One Big and one small version. Well, there's also an Avid Xpress DV for around 900 Dollars, but I don't know the difference between those.

    By the way, Walter Murch used Final Cut Pro to edit Cold Mountain. Haven't seen the movie though...
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    Originally Posted by higgy426
    So is final cut worth it? 999.00
    Go with Express. Almost all the same features, less than half the price.
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  7. what is it that your using FCP for?
    email me @ spooky2k@hotmail.com and i'll help u out some more.
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    Originally Posted by Shao-Domi
    Originally Posted by BJ_M
    well first you have to have an apple computer ...


    it is a good program, so is Vegas on a PC and right now you can get avid express for 100$ (i guess their sales are getting killed - it used to be 2 grand) and premiere pro 1.5 is also pretty good ..
    Avid Xpress Pro is still 2 grand. It's like Ulead Video Studio und Ulead Media Studio Pro. One Big and one small version. Well, there's also an Avid Xpress DV for around 900 Dollars, but I don't know the difference between those.

    By the way, Walter Murch used Final Cut Pro to edit Cold Mountain. Haven't seen the movie though...



    two things --

    one; you can buy right now avid express (latest version) from avid , for only 100$ .. believe me on this , you have to take a training course to get it (thats the 100$) .. this is NOT the free avid dv version (which sucks beyond belief) , but the cheaper package of pro .. This version was originally 2 grand before the pro version came out ...

    two -- Cold mountain was edited on FCP - yes ..... BUT what you see on the screen is NOT the output of FCP ...

    you do a quick TC of the dailies and edit those in FCP (or any other NLE that can generate EDL frame locked to reel and frame)
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    you then take those EDL's to the film edit room and start splicing ...

    what you saw on the screen never passed through FCP ...
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  9. BJ_M,

    Could you please provide a link or details on how to get Avid Express for the $100. I went to the Avid site and only see a link for the free Avid Dv download. Thanks.
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    Originally Posted by Flying_Monkey
    BJ_M,

    Could you please provide a link or details on how to get Avid Express for the $100. I went to the Avid site and only see a link for the free Avid Dv download. Thanks.
    you don't even have to attend the course


    http://www.geniusdv.com/free-avid-software.php
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  11. if your a student, you can get Avid Xpress Pro (not the crappy DV) for $300....an incredible deal.

    You can also get the production suite form apple (FCP HD, DVD Studio Pro, and Motion) for $500, another great deal.

    Gotta love being a student........
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    Originally Posted by BJ_M
    two things --

    one; you can buy right now avid express (latest version) from avid , for only 100$ .. believe me on this , you have to take a training course to get it (thats the 100$) .. this is NOT the free avid dv version (which sucks beyond belief) , but the cheaper package of pro .. This version was originally 2 grand before the pro version came out ...

    two -- Cold mountain was edited on FCP - yes ..... BUT what you see on the screen is NOT the output of FCP ...

    you do a quick TC of the dailies and edit those in FCP (or any other NLE that can generate EDL frame locked to reel and frame)
    ..

    you then take those EDL's to the film edit room and start splicing ...

    what you saw on the screen never passed through FCP ...
    O_o

    Two things

    One - I didn't say that you cannot get Avid Express for a 100 bucks, I just said that, like with a lot of other programs, there are several versions of a video editing program, mostly a high expensive pro version and a low cost version.

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    "With 600,000 feet of exposed film and a postproduction schedule that lasted 16 months, Cold Mountain is, up to this point, the biggest film ever edited on Final Cut Pro."
    ^^ What is ment by that than?

    Have I understood you right, that they edited the movie on FCP first (to see how it looks like), and than on the "real" machine after they knew how they had to cut? That's also an interessting way to edit.
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  13. Like BJ_M said. a rough cut was only done in FCP

    From the article:

    "Murch says he'd had his eye on FCP as early as 1998, when Apple bought it from Macromedia. He waited and watched as the Northern California computer manufacturer, known more for its innovative design and user-interface concepts than its filmmaking savvy, improved the application through various iterations. But it wasn't until Apple bought Film Logic in April of 2001, a tool that allows users to matchback their 29.97fps video to their 24fps film, and incorporated it into FCP as Cinema Tools, that Murch thought the application might be ready for prime time."

    Thanks for the link. Has anyone tired the $100 offer? Seems a little shady.
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    i edit film (and video) -- so i have a small amount of knowledge in this area ...

    Have I understood you right, that they edited the movie on FCP first (to see how it looks like), and than on the "real" machine after they knew how they had to cut? That's also an interesting way to edit.

    it is the way almost ALL films are edited --

    the editing is done on the negative - if special effects are required to be added, that portion of the negative is scanned at a very high resolution to work with.

    if parts of the film are ALL cgi , it is printed to film and mixed with live action (a lot of color work and such for this) ..

    the film is edited on avid film composer or (in that case) FCP or by other means ... a list is made of the splices and overlaps and matched to the neg (called matchback) , the "list" is called a EDL.

    a workprint is made of all the neg's shot -- this workprint is at low resolution and will also contain the reel number, frame count , time code , camera and other info burned onto it ....

    this workprint is also used for prelim audio work (90% of what you hear on a film didn't get recorded when it was filmed , but added in later)

    it goes on from there -- an answer print is made , a positive , etc .



    for DVD or network use (or hd) , it depends how much you want to spend ..

    in many cases a TC is made of the final print and thats it ... for higher quality , a scan is made (or something in between) , scanning is MUCH more expensive ... and very slow (TC is real time) ...
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    Originally Posted by Flying_Monkey
    Like BJ_M said. a rough cut was only done in FCP

    From the article:

    "Murch says he'd had his eye on FCP as early as 1998, when Apple bought it from Macromedia. He waited and watched as the Northern California computer manufacturer, known more for its innovative design and user-interface concepts than its filmmaking savvy, improved the application through various iterations. But it wasn't until Apple bought Film Logic in April of 2001, a tool that allows users to matchback their 29.97fps video to their 24fps film, and incorporated it into FCP as Cinema Tools, that Murch thought the application might be ready for prime time."

    Thanks for the link. Has anyone tired the $100 offer? Seems a little shady.


    it is a legit offer -- i got the info from avid in fact
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