Nero recode/ Shrink

[Jah_Rankin]

I know I'll get hammered after this fact but the fact still remains. I've constantly stated that nero recode and Shrink latest version produces macroblocks throughout back ups, the picture quality is good, but then here comes the macroblocks when you least expect it. As stated in the lates comments for recode

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Just tested it with LOTR-ROTK(my standard test movie for comparing DVD backup programs) and I'm very impressed. For movies requiring very little compression I normally use Shrink and for high compression DVD-Rebuilder. Less macroblocking than Shrink and in half the time. Far better result than DVD2One,CloneDVD2,DVD X,and IC8 at least on this movie. Testing a multi-angle movie now to see how it handles that. By the way I tested with main movie only and viewed it on a 32inch TV.

[Capmaster]

I know I'll get hammered after this fact

Then I'll be watching this thread closely

[Shocker Milwaukee]

So, just to clarify, you disagree with whomever you quoted, because you believe Nero Recode & DVD Shrink (latest version) are equally deficient with regards to macroblocks?

P.S. Could you fix the quotation so as to identify the author/thread?

[Jah_Rankin]

The quote came from the comments section in nero recode, as far as quality I already know that Recode and shrink had macrblocking problems

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=235960&highlight=jahrankin


This macrblocking problem was also noted on afterdawn after nero recode were tested.

[redwudz]

So, what do you want us to use?

[KiwiKid]

It was my comment based on testing with LOTR but as we all know other movies may have a different result. All of the "one-click" programs produce some macroblocking with this movie but I think Recode was possibly the best. I have tried DVD2SVCD,IC8,DVD2One,DVDX Platinum,CloneDVD2 and DVD-Rebuilder on LOTR. I'm sure I also tried an earlier version of Recode but was was unimpressed. I don't consider myself as one of the "I can't tell the difference from the original" people. I normally use DVD-Rebuilder and view on a 32inch TV. I'm prepared to spend some more time backing up some movies but for movies requiring little compression or are only going to viewed on a 29inch TV(seems to be the most common size purchased here in New Zealand) by my friends Recode may be a good option. Just finished a trial with Braveheart(171 minutes long)as I"m writing this. A quick look through the chapters shows some macroblocking visible but I doubt you would notice on a 29inch TV. I wasn't claiming Recode as the new God of backups but it does look very promising for those quick jobs.

[jimmalenko]

I know I'll get hammered after this fact but the fact still remains.

Don't y'all be confusing fact with opinion.



PS.

Consider yourself hammered

[ddlooping]

http://www.dvdshrink.info/temp/beta/comparative_tests.html
http://www.dvdshrink.info/temp/beta/comparative_tests_maxsharp.html
http://www.dvdshrink.info/temp/beta/comparative_tests_smooth.html

'nough said. :P

P.S:

[Jah_Rankin]

http://www.dvdshrink.info/temp/beta/comparative_tests.html
http://www.dvdshrink.info/temp/beta/comparative_tests_maxsharp.html
http://www.dvdshrink.info/temp/beta/comparative_tests_smooth.html

'nough said. :P

P.S:

What the hell ever dude! I don't watch movies on a pc!!! This is a bullshit snapshot of frames come on. IC8 may not meet the expected target size at times but the quality is damn good with no macrblocking, It's always noted that yes shrink pictures is bright and sharp but there is the issue with the macrblocks, macrblocks, macroblocks, bottom line, with that in mind I will not rate these transcoders shrink/ recode as one of the best, what happen when my movie is playing then annoying macrbolocks appears? not only do the macrblocks affect picture quality but the audio as well , I don't know about you but I sure hate to be sitting back trying to look at a movie and certain portions of the pic and audio is out of whack.

[KiwiKid]

What a surprise. He's trying to shove IC8 down our throats once again. And the links are to small sections of the movie not snapshots -you obviously never had a look. Shrink creator is not scared of a comparison. People are getting tired of your IC8 crusade.

[ddlooping]

As KiwiKid said these are not screenshots but short clips.
If you do not want to watch them on your PC simply burn them to disc.

[steve2713]

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[jimmalenko]

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[ddlooping]

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[jimmalenko]

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[ddlooping]

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[steve2713]

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now I know my abc's and you can stop wasting your time...

[jimmalenko]

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[Jah_Rankin]

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For your info I've never tried to shove any software in any one's throat! I simply state the facts as I see it. I'm not the only one that find a lot of macroblock in shrink's or recode latest, even the admins on afterdawn recomended clone dvd or dvd2one over shrink for copies that required slight compression, for longer ones dvd shrink, with the inclusive macoblocks of course. I've always admited shrink is good quality, but with macroblockssssssssssssssss, and for me that's not acceptable. I also added that I'm a shrink user my self, but none of the versions over 3.175 So for all your haters put this in your pipe and smoke this.

[gf]

I would disagree, dvd rebuilder possibly be better, but I have never got that damn package to work! Is there something special you have to do with a AMD chip to get that package to work? If you do, please post it!

[ddlooping]

steve2713, you party-pooper, I was hoping to win with "ba".



gf, have you had a look at the "official" DVD-RB support forums?
http://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=75

Jah_Rankin, you're fully untitled to your opinion.

[jimmalenko]

Out out interest Jah_Rankin, what set up do you have for viewing your DVDs ?

[Jah_Rankin]

I have 2 projectors, one by infocus LP240 lcd projector dispalying at 1024x768 pixels 1100 lumens and the other is proxima LS540 SXGA LCD projector @ 800x600 pixels @ 1300 lumens, besides that I have a Akai 60 inch HDTV. Still does'nt change the fact that the transcoder in the latest shrink and recode leaves macroblocks in the pic quality, may be due to the speed of the transcoder as some have claimed the speed is improved in newer versions. I myself had problems with rebuilder that's why I dulged into dual layer burning with great success.

[jimmalenko]

I have 2 projectors, one by infocus LP240 lcd projector dispalying at 1024x768 pixels 1100 lumens and the other is proxima LS540 SXGA LCD projector @ 800x600 pixels @ 1300 lumens, besides that I have a Akai 60 inch HDTV.

Thanks - I thought you must have had a pretty high-end set up. My boss has a projector set up and he says that any DVD that he shrinks at less than 90% looks pixelated and fuzzy from time to time.

[ddlooping]

Jah_Rankin, if none of the new AEC options is selected, v3.2 will be as fast as v3.1.7, with a marginal gain in quality.
If an AEC option is selected, v3.2 will be noticeably slower at compression levels > 20% (or thereabout).
"Maximum Smoothness" is the slowest of them all, and will yeld a quality output favorably comparable to IC7/IC8 (as confirmed by numerous DVD Shrink beta-testers and users).

[Jah_Rankin]

I have 2 projectors, one by infocus LP240 lcd projector dispalying at 1024x768 pixels 1100 lumens and the other is proxima LS540 SXGA LCD projector @ 800x600 pixels @ 1300 lumens, besides that I have a Akai 60 inch HDTV.

Thanks - I thought you must have had a pretty high-end set up. My boss has a projector set up and he says that any DVD that he shrinks at less than 90% looks pixelated and fuzzy from time to time.

There are a lot of factors that goes into projector viewing for those that don't know what the hell they are talking about

1. screen type
2. age of bulb
3. s- video-, progressive scan, composite video
4. dvd playback source
5. projector compatability formats, hdtv, dlp, lcd, etc.

For the most part I've no problem with fuzziness @ all, fuzziness is one thing macro block is another. To add, yes my set up is high quality both audio and video.

[Jah_Rankin]

Jah_Rankin, if none of the new AEC options is selected, v3.2 will be as fast as v3.1.7, with a marginal gain in quality.
If an AEC option is selected, v3.2 will be noticeably slower at compression levels > 20% (or thereabout).
"Maximum Smoothness" is the slowest of them all, and will yeld a quality output favorably comparable to IC7/IC8 (as confirmed by numerous DVD Shrink beta-testers and users).

I agree with you whole heartedly, however, you forgot to mention MACROBLOCKS GALORE.

[Shocker Milwaukee]

that's why I dulged into dual layer burning

What does "dulged" mean?

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=dulge&x=14&y=14

[steve2713]

bulged delving?

[Shocker Milwaukee]

bludgeoned dolphins?