DVD+R DL Reaches 8X Writing

[jtommyj]

Nope,still don't buy it.

You are still missing the whole point here again.

It isn't whether people have credit cards, are under 18, live on the moon, wear one shoe backwards every other 3rd Sunday.

It is that the discs are available on line for 6.66 each. That's it.


Whether or not you choose to shop on-line, can't shop on line, don't have access to credit cards, don't like the security issues (?) are all valid points.

But you guys have been so busy to defend, you never saw my point. They ARE available for 6.66. Pay 10 dollars if you want or do without ,but all the points both you and Gurm make do not suddenly make the Verbatim 3 pack at 30 shipped minus 10 dollar rebate disappear at Newegg.

So when people say DL discs are still 10-15 each, that is only because of their constraints that they have,not because of anything else.

That is like saying a new Ford Mustang in my town is 25K so all Ford Mustangs in every town are 25 K. Even tho i might go over to a larger town and get the exact same car for 23 K which we know can happen.
Maybe there was more risk and it was more inconvenient to go to the other town but if i wanted the Mustang and wanted to pay 23 k i either made the sacrifice and went or i didn't but it didn't mean it wasn't available.It meant i was either unwilling or unable to do it.


Tom

[Gurm]

*sigh*

Ok, let's cover this:

1. I don't buy media online. Why? Because what if it's shit? I can't return it. If I buy it at Best Buy, and it sucks, they let me return it and cheerfully give me my money back, even if I've used up half the spindle determining that it sucks.

2. You can't say "oh, media is available for $7 from New Egg". It doesn't work like that. New Egg's price for that media is $25. Their shipping is $4. If you have to pay tax in your state, that'll be another buck or two. Then you get a $10 rebate, which you can ALSO get at your local store. But rebates don't count - they're here one day and gone the next. So the price is $30 shipped. Period. It's also $30 at Staples. That's $10 a disc.

3. $10 a disc is absurd. Locally, no rebate necessary, Taiyo Yuden discs that NEVER fail and NEVER coaster and ALWAYS work with EVERY program are 40 cents. Use TWO of those discs and it's 80 cents. That's less than a TENTH of the cost of dual-layer media that probably won't work ANYWAY, because most programs mess up or the layer break gets screwed up.

Is that a clear enough argument for you? If you scored some THIS WEEK for $7 apiece, good for you. Don't act like it's always like that, and don't act like it's somehow an ECONOMICAL choice. You've just paid $20 for 25.5GB of storage - I paid $20 for 235GB yesterday and did it while I was out shopping for groceries.

[DTSL06]

Gurm

*OUCH*

Take it easy on the poor fella.....

[leebo]

*sigh*

- I paid $20 for 235GB yesterday and did it while I was out shopping for groceries.

Perhaps you can get a better deal burning to CD's.

[Gurm]

Not really. Quality CD media has plateaued around $10 for 50. You can sometimes get 100 for that price. The people who crow about always getting them for free after rebate clearly don't care what kind of crap they burn to.

So 40 cents per for quality DVD's at Best Buy, and 10-20 cents per for quality CD's at Staples. *shrug*

[jtommyj]

*sigh*

Ok, let's cover this:

1. I don't buy media online. Why? Because what if it's shit? I can't return it. If I buy it at Best Buy, and it sucks, they let me return it and cheerfully give me my money back, even if I've used up half the spindle determining that it sucks.

So the Verbatim DL media at BestBuy is different than the Verbatim DL at Newegg ? I'm not talking about taking chances. I've used the Verbatim DL, it works for me. I'm not talking about purchasing a brand i never heard of to experiment with.

2. You can't say "oh, media is available for $7 from New Egg". It doesn't work like that. New Egg's price for that media is $25. Their shipping is $4. If you have to pay tax in your state, that'll be another buck or two. Then you get a $10 rebate, which you can ALSO get at your local store. But rebates don't count - they're here one day and gone the next. So the price is $30 shipped. Period. It's also $30 at Staples. That's $10 a disc.

Yes it exactly does work like that. If you read a little closer,i made allowances for the shipping and i don't care if someone else has to pay sales tax in their state which i don't. My discs were 6.66 a piece at Newegg delivered and taxed, not 10 dollars a disc at Staples. If you want to throw money away and pay tax and shop at the brick and mortar stores ,it's your money so you can be as stupid with it or as smart with it as you think you can be. My discs are 6.66 at Newegg. And the rebate is not available at any local store in my area that i know of. The 2 places i've seen the rebates have been specific to the vendor on the net. If you don't order on line, don't try to sell someone who does on how it works. I would be glad to have you show me a 10 dollar rebate on Verbatim DL 3-packs in my area.

3. $10 a disc is absurd. Locally, no rebate necessary, Taiyo Yuden discs that NEVER fail and NEVER coaster and ALWAYS work with EVERY program are 40 cents. Use TWO of those discs and it's 80 cents. That's less than a TENTH of the cost of dual-layer media that probably won't work ANYWAY, because most programs mess up or the layer break gets screwed up.

Is that a clear enough argument for you? If you scored some THIS WEEK for $7 apiece, good for you. Don't act like it's always like that, and don't act like it's somehow an ECONOMICAL choice. You've just paid $20 for 25.5GB of storage - I paid $20 for 235GB yesterday and did it while I was out shopping for groceries.

And here is where the whole lack of insight of yours comes in.. You keep trying to say what a great deal you got on the Fuji TY's which is totally irrelevant to the topic. I bought 200 of those also on Sunday. Big deal. But for what i want on a DL disc, I am willing to pay the 6.66 more readily than i am 10 dollars or spread it over 2 discs and i do it so it can be done.

Some people think it's absurd to pay 60K for a car also but people do it. This isn't a topic about what YOU consider absurd.


You have to realize that not everyone has the same goals as you.
It doesn't matter if you can get 20 single sided discs for the cost of 1 DL disc. That isn't the point. The point is once again that you can get them from now until December for 30 Shipped with a 10 dollar rebate and they will accept up to 3 rebates per household.


I don't se your point. If you think that DL media purchase is stupid and since you don't have a need for them no one else should, then say THAT. But don't say because YOU don't think it's economical, they aren't available for 6.66 per disc. They are.

I didn't say it was economical, and i don't care if you've paid $20 for 235 GB's of storage. I said it is out there if you wanted it.

So is THAT a clear enough argument for you ?

It doesn't matter what your OPINION is about economics, DL media ,Internet shopping or anything else.
The simple fact of the matter is that you are wrong, the media is out there for 6.66 per disc.

You have tried to turn this into a debate on what's more economical,etc., which was never at issue.
So let it go'


Double Sigh !

[Gurm]

Okay, let's clarify.

FACT:

Dual-layer media are expensive, NOT economical, and problematic at best.

FACT:

I, and many others, are unwilling to pay 15-20 times the price for a problematic disc, simply because it's twice as large.

FACT:

If I buy a spindle at Best Buy, I can return it for a full refund if it's bad. Will it be? I hope not. If I buy an identical spindle at New Egg, the restocking fee and return shipping make it pricey to return.

OPINION:

You're an anencephalic moron. A mongolian idiot. A 'tard.

[jtommyj]

FACT: you had to resort to name calling cause you got your ass smoked on the point of the discussion.

No one ever argued with what you are saying so you are arguing with yourself.
I said, once again, that they are there at Newegg for 6.66 shipped and deliverd after MIR.

FACT: I never said they were cheap. They aren't

FACT: I never said they were perfect. They aren't.

FACT: I never said they were economical.They aren't.

Show me where i said any of the above and i will humbly apologize.

ALL I said they are available for 6.66 after rebate at Newegg which they are.

So quit being the obtuse jerk and read what i'm typing,not what you want to see.

And your spindle talk really makes me wonder if you even know anything at all about DL media cause it isn't even available in spindles yet.

For your review, here is my first post on the subject

Why does everyone think the blank DL discs are still 10- 15 USD ?

Newegg has them with rebate for about 20 bucks shipped for 3 which is $6.66.
I'm not saying they are cheap so don't go there,i'm just saying, if you have a long movie you would like to "back up", 6.66 is cheaper than 15.

Now if it's a cheap DVD just buy 2. If it's a 30 dollar "art" film, now i can save 24 dollars.

Tom biggrin.gif

Care to point out where i said they were perfect, cheap or anything else ?

I even state that THEY AREN'T cheap. Maybe you can use some of that money you saved on those Fuji Ty's on a remedial comprehension class.
You seem to think it's cool to name call with large words.Maybe you should spend more time trying to understand the little ones.

[Gurm]

You started off confrontational.

"Why does everyone think these things cost $10-$15?"

Because unless you cash in on a rebate, they DO.

I must pay $30 to obtain 3 discs, no matter where I buy them. At some future date, Verbatim will - ostensibly - send me $10 in the mail. If they feel like it. In 6-8 weeks.

I could buy them from New Egg... or I could buy them at Staples. Both places will charge my Visa or Mastercard $30.

I don't count rebates. Most people don't, because they're not guaranteed and they take forever.

Bottom line is you have to shell out $10 each for these discs. You might get $3.33 back in a couple months, but TODAY you gotta pay $10 for them.

[jtommyj]

LOL -Ok, now MOST people don't count rebates. Well, i don't recall ever saying anyone did. Didn't say rebates were good,bad, or anything.

Let's get a chorus now everyone. Here's what i said:

The discs are available at Newegg.com for 6.66 per disc after shipping and mail in rebate.

Can i get an AMEN ?

You don't want to use the rebates,then please don't. You don't have to.

I started off asking a question and a legitimate one at that.
So if i was confrontational to you, that's really all this is about then i can see.

So you trying to put words in my mouth and making up things you feel i said was just to give your mind a reason to debate the quality and economics of DL discs and had nothing to do with my stated fact that Newegg.com has the discs for 6.66 after MIR shipped and taxed to me.

You have tried to turn it into something it never was and i wan't going to back down to the BS.

Even if i WAS being confrontational,why are you continually mis-portraying my statement of fact ?

You still don't get it. It has nothing to do with your credit card,Staples.

And YOU cashed in yesterday on an Instant Rebate at BestBuy and a price matching coupon at Circuit City if i can read between the lines on your Fuji Ty discs and what they ended up costing you so that happens every day ?

You telling me everyday you can get 235 GB of storage for 20- 25 dollars and Fuji TY's at that ?

Christ man, quit changing the point and just admit it. The discs are there.

Whether you choose to purchase them or not or don't like to use your CC or don't like rebates or don't like parmesan cheese on your spaghetti doesn't change anything.

Give it a rest.

You've been had and outed.

You just didn't like my tone and wanted to start a debate and lost.

Your opinions can't change the facts.

[DereX888]

Gurm, theres no point in arguing.
Your facts stand correct, and facts arent up for discussion
Just remember - if it wouldnt be for those 'usefull idiots'/early adopters paying through the nose for all the new medias, formats and devices - the evolution of technology would probably slow down to the halt Someone has to fund the misadventures, mistakes and try-outs by the corporations If those people are willing to be guinea pigs voluntarily - why stop them? Let'em do it, don't say a word!!

[jtommyj]

Gurm, theres no point in arguing.
Your facts stand correct, and facts arent up for discussion
Just remember - if it wouldnt be for those 'usefull idiots'/early adopters paying through the nose for all the new medias, formats and devices - the evolution of technology would probably slow down to the halt Someone has to fund the misadventures, mistakes and try-outs by the corporations

That's how life always is. The risktakers,the financially able, always move along technology for those less fortunate. You should thank those people.


I'm glad that i can help those with less nerve and funds to see the moving of technology forward.
You should try it sometime and not coattail. You might actually feel more worthy than trying to be witty in a forum.

[DereX888]

Gurm, theres no point in arguing.
Your facts stand correct, and facts arent up for discussion
Just remember - if it wouldnt be for those 'usefull idiots'/early adopters paying through the nose for all the new medias, formats and devices - the evolution of technology would probably slow down to the halt Someone has to fund the misadventures, mistakes and try-outs by the corporations

That's how life always is. The risktakers,the financially able, always move along technology for those less fortunate. You should thank those people.


I'm glad that i can help those with less nerve and funds to see the moving of technology forward.
You should try it sometime and not coattail. You might actually feel more worthy than trying to be witty in a forum.

Hehe Iam actually in the foreposts of technology. If Im interested in anything I just write down memo and pass it along... days/weeks later I receive it and have fun, while it cost *me* nothing

Being witty is a God's given gift, you cant buy it

[jtommyj]

Then God wasn't feeling very "giving" the day you stood in the wit line in my opinion. Maybe you could pass *Him* a memo also and in days/weeks you could provide us with some wit that won't cost *me* anything ?

You don't think your *source* gets the money for your toys from another part of the budget maybe that could be used for pay raises or another benefit to you like better healthcare,etc. ?

Don't be naive. It all costs everyone.

Unless it's rich daddy that your passing the memo to and not a place of employment. Then that i could buy.

[DereX888]

Then God wasn't feeling very "giving" the day you stood in the wit line in my opinion. Maybe you could pass *Him* a memo also.

You don't think your *source* gets the money for your toys from another part of the budget maybe that could be used for pay raises or another benefit to you like better healthcare,etc. ?

Don't be naive. It all costs everyone.

Unless it's rich daddy that your passing the memo to and not a place of employment. Then that i could buy.

Bud, no matter how hard you try - youre still the loser here
I dont even pity you... go spend more money on something new, dont bother arguing anymore, please

[jtommyj]

Dude, what are you talking about ?

You're the loser,ace, thinking it's cool to get what you want on someone elses nickel and then brag about it and laugh when someone wants to use a new technology.You need to remove the thumb from your mouth and quick sucking off everyone else.

The only point i ever made and the only point that is absolutely factually correct is the fact that Newegg.com has the Verbatim DL discs for 6.66 after shipping and mail in rebate.\

I never argued any other point with Gurm to be wrong on.

Looks like you need to pass that memo to Human Resources about that continuing education program and get that comprehension class also. Since it won't cost *you* anything.

As i said ,it's always the risktakers and/or financially capable that foot the bill. In your case,it's whoever you pass the memo to. You should really thank them and not try to be so smug about it.

Have fun !!

LOL

[leebo]

jtommyj, You have made some very entertaining and refreshing reading today.

I woulden't get into it with DereX888 though. I suspect he's a troll/gurm concoction.

Do you really think he's from Zimbabwe?

[Capmaster]

OK. This thread has circled the drain long enough.