DVD+R DL Reaches 8X Writing

[waheed]

See:

http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20041021_154833.html

[Gurm]

Great! Those discs will, of course, cost $30 each instead of the $15 we're paying now. Oh, and they will work on only 20% of set top players instead of the 75% we're currently "enjoying".

And last but not least, they don't work with ANY current burning applications, as opposed to the current batch of +R DL's which work sporadically sometimes with Nero only.

[spiderman2k1]

I holding off for DVD-R DL is coming next year plus the newer burners will burn both format. THe Burner that are out now mihgt burn DVD-R Dl with firmware updates but who knows.

[ice-berg]

I holding off for DVD-R DL is coming next year plus the newer burners will burn both format. THe Burner that are out now mihgt burn DVD-R Dl with firmware updates but who knows.

I'm holding too for the DVD-R DL. Pioneer, the innovator of DVD-R DL, is supposed to be the first one to come up with a drive this december(the 109).

But hell up until now they havent even released any info concerning the drive's specs or what so ever.
Patience is running out!!!

[Capmaster]

I think DL has got a ways to go yet before it's mainstream instead of fringe

I think I'll hold out for the Pioneer DVD-R DL myself

[handyguy]

2.4x is coming out in Jan, right, so this one wont be out until around April.

I think I can put off getting excited.

[BJ_M]

yawn

[liltlboy]

-- Where the heck is all of this going? how much do they want to fit on one disc. I am waiting for the 8x DL burners too, but for how long and you know that they will come out with somthing better after they stop making money on the 8x DL's. Right now I am just buy hard drives that are dirt cheap and putting them into enclosures, at least that way I can have my info and delete if i want to, but theres two sides to erything.

[BJ_M]

i'm still using 12x and a 8x plextor scsi burners --- serves me well and those old scsi plextors will read any or write any type of cd , no mater what ...

[DereX888]

I dont even follow news of this kind anymore. When I will see 8x DL blanks at affordable prices in my stores - then I'll check vcdhelp.com database of comments for good writer and just buy it.

Couple weeks I was just browsing the aisles in a large electronics store (computers section ofcoz . Salesdude thought Im looking for some crappy HP or whatever junk they had there, and started praise it to me with "it has 16x dvd writer and ...blah blah blah. I told him to bring me a box of 16x blanks and I'll take it But hey - he wasnt that stupid as I thought at first He asked me are +R blanks OK, because he knows they only have 4x -Rs in store... I wonder if he's still searching through the shelves for those damn 16x DVD+Rs for me

Hmm, I hope they dont sell 16x blanks yet? Just to be safe I better tell them next time to get me 16x DL blanks with that 'puter

[Gurm]

Right now, only 4x media is price-effective unless you find 8x on sale.

I'm sure that soon 8x will be affordable.

I haven't even SEEN any 12x yet - is it on store shelves anywhere?

16x? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Dual layer media sells for $10-$15 each, IF you can find it, and nobody's computer can burn them reliably.

Come to think of it, I have yet to hear of anyone burning at 16x realiable - perhaps due to lack of media.

So I'll stick with my current drive, thanks.

[racer-x]

I'm still using my 3 year-old Sony DRU-120A. It burns DVD+R only @ 2.4x. I flashed with Ricoh firmware awhile back so that it burns disks with DVD-ROM booktype. I've burned over a thousand disks now and never a coaster. All my disks play in 100% of the players out there. Many people have asked me why my disks will play in thier players, when every other burned disk they tried wouldn't.

Sure it takes 25 min to burn a full disk, but it's worth the piece of mind it brings. Nothing beats 100% success. I won't upgrade until this drive dies, by that time we'll probably be burning disks with 20 GIG capacity.

[DereX888]

I'm still using my 3 year-old Sony DRU-120A. It burns DVD+R only @ 2.4x. I flashed with Ricoh firmware awhile back so that it burns disks with DVD-ROM booktype. I've burned over a thousand disks now and never a coaster. All my disks play in 100% of the players out there. Many people have asked me why my disks will play in thier players, when every other burned disk they tried wouldn't.

Sure it takes 25 min to burn a full disk, but it's worth the piece of mind it brings. Nothing beats 100% success. I won't upgrade until this drive dies, by that time we'll probably be burning disks with 20 GIG capacity.

I dont want to start another "-" vs "+" discussion here, but how on earth can you claim 100% compatibility LOL
Just because you changed booktype *information* stored on disc's header (not the actual booktype of the disc, just the information written on disc) how can you expectsuch +R disc being playable on a a standalone player or dvdrom that is hardware-wise incapable of reading any + discs?!
Dude, change booktypes as much as you want - yet those players that cant read +R wont simply read them (try i.e. Matsushita SR-8587, Apex 600 series, or just find some models in the player section on this board).

Those players that suddenly will read +R with faked booktype simply were capable of reading them all time (hardware-wise), its just that their firmware was poor or old and doesnt include +R type, thats all.

[raffie]

I'm still using my 3 year-old Sony DRU-120A. It burns DVD+R only @ 2.4x. I flashed with Ricoh firmware awhile back so that it burns disks with DVD-ROM booktype. I've burned over a thousand disks now and never a coaster. All my disks play in 100% of the players out there. Many people have asked me why my disks will play in thier players, when every other burned disk they tried wouldn't.

Sure it takes 25 min to burn a full disk, but it's worth the piece of mind it brings. Nothing beats 100% success. I won't upgrade until this drive dies, by that time we'll probably be burning disks with 20 GIG capacity.

HA! I still use a 1x drive. Takes one full hour to burn a disc. Try to beat me there :P

[racer-x]

DereX888 wrote:

I dont want to start another "-" vs "+" discussion here, but how on earth can you claim 100% compatibility LOL

I edit and produce videos wich I then sell. I've sold hundreds over the past couple of years. I always tell the buyer, that if they have any problems playing them, to return them. I've never had even one returned. That's 100% success, no matter how you look at it. Sure it's possable that their may be a player of some kind out there that won't play my disk, but I have yet to find it.

Like the old saying goes, you don't mess with success.

[Jah_Rankin]

I won't upgrade until this drive dies, by that time we'll probably be burning disks with 20 GIG capacity.



This drive will die way before you think, also the dual layer verbertim disc can record up to 4x speed by supprted drives.

[deadpac]

I've never had even one returned. That's 100% success, no matter how you look at it.

!=

All my disks play in 100% of the players out there

[DereX888]

DereX888 wrote:

I dont want to start another "-" vs "+" discussion here, but how on earth can you claim 100% compatibility LOL

I edit and produce videos wich I then sell. I've sold hundreds over the past couple of years. I always tell the buyer, that if they have any problems playing them, to return them. I've never had even one returned. That's 100% success, no matter how you look at it. Sure it's possable that their may be a player of some kind out there that won't play my disk, but I have yet to find it.

Like the old saying goes, you don't mess with success.

Well, you have beaten to dust all dvd writer manufacturers then, as not one of them ever even tried to claim compatibility rate higher than ~90% Only someone who doesnt know sh*t would have ever claimed 100% compatibility, therefore further discussion is useless with you, Mr. "editor and video producer"
Oh, and BTW - Im a Mr. President of USA

LOL

[racer-x]

It sounds like your envious. What's the matter, are you having trouble getting a high compatabilty rate?

Just because you don't know what your doing, don't go putting down someone that does.

[DereX888]

It sounds like your envious. What's the matter, are you having trouble getting a high compatabilty rate?

Just because you don't know what your doing, don't go putting down someone that does.

Why would I be envious? LOL! I have about 50-60 various DVD*R drives to choose from every day at work, plus 4 of my own at home... I can even order anything at the govt's expense if I want to test (meaning: play with ) any new device...
Let me repeat: only someone who doesn't know sh*t would have ever claim 100% comtatibility rate I'm not envy (of what?!), I simply state that you are a liar, thats all.

[Gurm]

Hey, he has 100% success within his client-base.

That's NOT mutually exclusive with 90% success in a larger group, or ever 60% success with the public-at-large.

He works in a particular geographic area. That area is likely serviced by a local CompUSA or Staples or Circuit City.

So long as his burns work with the drives sold by those stores... he's golden. LOL.

Nah, who am I kidding. He's lying.

[hobbes4444]

Verbatim 16x +R hit the market around the 1st of Nov. bestbuy.com had them on sale 25 spindle for $17.99. Not bad. . . though regularly $24.99 for 25.

[TwistedLincoln]

I recently bought a dual format burner, but only because it was faster than my aging 2.4x drive I had before. To me, DL is pointless until there are RW dual layer discs as well-- at $10-$15 each, it gets rather expensive when you simply forget to link a menu button...

[Greg12]

My Duel Layer RW will make a NIIIIICE addition to my DVD-DIVX player. I can fit all 3 lord of the rings movies on one disk at 2 gigs a piece.

[leebo]

My Duel Layer RW will make a NIIIIICE addition to my DVD-DIVX player. I can fit all 3 lord of the rings movies on one disk at 2 gigs a piece.

Ha! Then you can spend the weekend watching 20 hours of extended LOTR movies and not have to think about not having a girlfriend!

Just kidding. :P

[jtommyj]

Why does everyone think the blank DL discs are still 10- 15 USD ?

Newegg has them with rebate for about 20 bucks shipped for 3 which is $6.66.
I'm not saying they are cheap so don't go there,i'm just saying, if you have a long movie you would like to "back up", 6.66 is cheaper than 15.

Now if it's a cheap DVD just buy 2. If it's a 30 dollar "art" film, now i can save 24 dollars.

Tom

[Gurm]

We say that because to get them, locally, it costs that much.

Locally, without ordering away or taking risks, I can get Taiyo Yuden (Fuji) 8x +R for $20 for a 50-pack. That's 40 cents apiece.

Locally, Verbatim +R/DL's are $10+ each.

[jtommyj]

Sorry, i must have missed the "qualifying" of the locally part. I didn't see that.

Who in their right mind would buy them locally for 3 or 4 dollars more a disc than you can get them on the internet for in the US ?

Ordering away or taking risks ?

That's a weak argument. The Lite-On 16x burner is 139.99 locally also (at Best Buy) but can be had for 60 dollars less on the net.

If people are stupid enough to have to buy the DL discs locally for some unwritten rule, then do it but quit overexagerrating.

Whether or not there are your perceived risks is not the point. The point is that dual layer discs can be had for 6.66 per disc. Whether or not you choose to do it doesn't change the fact they are available for that price.

I would have to argue that most anyone on this forum that orders discs in any kind of quantity does so over the internet and takes those "risks" all the time. Maybe even a majority of people here order their doscs and don't buy them at a brick and mortar store so i think that argument is weak. You take less risk ordering the discs from the net than you do getting into your car and driving 5 miles or more to get them.




Tom

[Heywould3]

Sorry, i must have missed the "qualifying" of the locally part. I didn't see that.

Who in their right mind would buy them locally for 3 or 4 dollars more a disc than you can get them on the internet for in the US ?

Ordering away or taking risks ?

That's a weak argument. The Lite-On 16x burner is 139.99 locally also (at Best Buy) but can be had for 60 dollars less on the net.

If people are stupid enough to have to buy the DL discs locally for some unwritten rule, then do it but quit overexagerrating.

Whether or not there are your perceived risks is not the point. The point is that dual layer discs can be had for 6.66 per disc. Whether or not you choose to do it doesn't change the fact they are available for that price.

I would have to argue that most anyone on this forum that orders discs in any kind of quantity does so over the internet and takes those "risks" all the time. Maybe even a majority of people here order their doscs and don't buy them at a brick and mortar store so i think that argument is weak. You take less risk ordering the discs from the net than you do getting into your car and driving 5 miles or more to get them.




Tom

Some people dont have access to credit cards or any other means of ordering online.. some are students that are under 18 maybe.. some just cant get a cc.. some have but will not because of security issues.. there are lots of reasons why people buy locally.. i buy 90% online but if i find the same deal localy i will get it here first.. much easyer to RMA and faster. the shipping offsets the local tax..

so thats y people ARE in their right minds.. just something to ponder

[leebo]

.. some have but will not because of security issues.. there are lots of reasons why people buy locally.. i buy 90% online but if i find the same deal localy i will get it here first.. much easyer to RMA and faster. the shipping offsets the local tax..

so thats y people ARE in their right minds.. just something to ponder

Security issues? What, are they terrorists? As far as getting the same deal locally, good luck with that!