run LINUX inside of Windows ??

[lordsmurf]

I may want what does not exist... maybe it does...

- Runs LINUX inside of Windows, just like another program
- Emulation is fine, virtual machines are fine
- Does not AT ALL touch the hard drive, makes "files" where it stores its own data (dummy files fine), I can give it plenty of file space (willing to give up to 10GB)
- Under $100, preferably freeware/shareware
- NTFS Windows XP
- Cannot reboot the system, must run natively like an application
- Do not want a CD/DVD-ROM system like Knoppix (that reboots, and you cannot save kernel and other adjustments/customizations)
- Needs to run ENGLISH LANGUAGE version of a GUI (any release/kernel) like KDE, Gnome, etc

WinLinux did this on FAT32 inside Windows 95/98, reboot for ME, NTFS and NT/2K/XP not supported.

I would think it both is possible and exists, I just don't know where to look.

Much like having PearPC (Mac OS X), I want a Windows-based Linux just to play around.

[iooi]

Opps maybe not....

Then again Here

Cooperative Linux is the first method for optimally running Linux on Windows and other operating systems natively. It is a port of the Linux kernel and support code that allows it to run cooperatively without emulation along with another operating system

[HillJack]

Try Cygwin. The KDE GUI is available for it too.

Also, QEMU with a Linux image from FreeOsZoo.

[Faustus]

So like virutal PC for linux?

Did the new VPC drop linux support?

[Garibaldi]

You could try Boches too. Its a free windows emulator. I haven't figured out how to work it yet though. If you figure it out, please let me know how!
Here is the link:
http://bochs.sourceforge.net/

[Faustus]

Yeah just check VPC 7 does claim to support Linux

[lordsmurf]

So like virutal PC for linux?
Did the new VPC drop linux support?

But isn't that running LINUX inside MAC,
and not what I want: running LINUX inside WINDOWS ??

[lordsmurf]

Try Cygwin.

I just installed it ... I think.
I dumped a folder to the drive, full of subs and files.
But how do I run it ???

[stiltman]

VMware is what you want

[bazooka]

So like virutal PC for linux?
Did the new VPC drop linux support?

But isn't that running LINUX inside MAC,
and not what I want: running LINUX inside WINDOWS ??

Virtual PC is now a microsoft product and will run linux inside windows.

[lordsmurf]

VMware is what you want

Too much $$$$$$$$$$

[lordsmurf]

Also, QEMU with a Linux image from FreeOsZoo.

Uhhh.....

I can "install" QEMU like anything else, and then download the "GNU/Linux SuSE 9.1 x86" package (suggest for newbies), but really not sure where to go after that.

We're in territory that I completely do not comprehend. I'm trying, and reading, but I'm not understanding or seeing what I need.

[Faustus]

Correct there is a version of Virutal PC for Windows XP. Its used alot in house by companies to run different version of MS OSs, and testing reasons. It can also run Linux.

[stiltman]

Correct there is a version of Virutal PC for Windows XP. Its used alot in house by companies to run different version of MS OSs, and testing reasons. It can also run Linux.

I think it's only avaliable via MSDN and thier IT academy program. Least it was as of about 2 months ago

[bazooka]

Correct there is a version of Virutal PC for Windows XP. Its used alot in house by companies to run different version of MS OSs, and testing reasons. It can also run Linux.

I think it's only avaliable via MSDN and thier IT academy program. Least it was as of about 2 months ago

I got it through the cisco networking academy program in my college.

[Faustus]

Its in stores

[stiltman]

guess I'm not in the loop anymore

[lordsmurf]

I quit.
Linux is a worthless clusterfuck.
Documentation sucks, software sucks, everything sucks.

Long live Microsoft. Hell, long live Mac, too!
At least those are easy to install without an extra degree.

[Faustus]

Linux is a worthless clusterfuck

That sounds exactly like my view, well except for the worthless part. I'd say "Linux is such a clusterfuck as to make learning it not worth the value"

[tekkieman]

Just my $0.02 ls, but on the rare occasions I need Linux, I just run Redhat 7.0 on an old P133, 128M RAM, 2G HD.

P133 - $75.00 (4 years ago)
Redhat 7.0 - $49.95

Total - ~ $125.00

I can't speak for the other flavors of Linux, but Redhat came with complete docs, as well as all the packages needed to support the CD-ROM, my old Zip drive, printer, etc. It also comes with XWindows, Emacs, GNU, , Apache Web Server, etc. The documentation was pretty complete, although I had several other Redhat books to help me out.

I agree, Linux is not the easiest OS to use, even though I've had several Unix System Admin courses in college, but I like having it around, "just in case".

[sterno]

The clusterfuck is that you're trying to run a full OS inside a virtual machine on another OS. That's always a mess, you end up inheriting all the problems of the host OS to go with the problems of the virtual machine itself and problems of the OS you run inside it.

Virtual PC on Mac is the most user-friendly solution I've seen to date, and it's a total clusterfuck too. The truth of the matter is that if you want a virtual machine that's works well and is reasonably easy to set up you'll probably have to cough up the money for Virtual PC or VMWare. For that kind of money you could probably pick up an older PC to do a real installation and have something that's easier to set up and works a lot better.

[lordsmurf]

I've tried VPC2004

[ofbarea]

Take a look a Microsoft Windows Services for Unix 3.5 (SFU 3.5). It will support most linux functionality, for free, with NFS, but no Linux GUI.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/default.asp

[Garibaldi]

You should give topologilinux a try... it installs to an image file on your ntsf partition... I'm running it right now. You can run in either CoLinux mode or real mode. Linux actually gets alot easier once you use it some. As for documentation, that's what the people on this site and sites like www.linuxquestions.org are here for (try the man command too).
www.topologilinux.com

[tekkieman]

Ok, since this thread has been dredged up again, let me add this to it. Almost every flavor of linux has a live CD or DVD version. Pop the sucker in the drive when you want to run linux. Maybe create a 10G or so FAT32 partition to store your files. It never messes with with Windows crap that way.

P.S. just for you smurfie, Dyne:Bolic is pre-configured with several apps for video editing. It all fits on an autobooting CD.

[Garibaldi]

Ok, since this thread has been dredged up again, let me add this to it. Almost every flavor of linux has a live CD or DVD version. Pop the sucker in the drive when you want to run linux. Maybe create a 10G or so FAT32 partition to store your files. It never messes with with Windows crap that way.

P.S. just for you smurfie, Dyne:Bolic is pre-configured with several apps for video editing. It all fits on an autobooting CD.

Sorry I dredged it up again... I was searching for a different old thread and stumbled across this one too. I would like to syphon off some of my windows install sometime as soon as I can get enough free space.

[ofbarea]

Because of some problems I had to rebuild my laptop. This time I did not install Microsoft Windows Services for Unix 3.5 (SFU 3.5). This was a good opportunity to install Cygwin. This system is great. If you are brave enough of linking your stuff before using it, this is the way to go. I easily linked all the applications that I was using under MS SFU 3.5 and installed a couple more. No problems so far and everything is working just fine.

You also have the option of installing Cygwin/X (an X-Windows port for Win32 systems). This application is installable for most Win32 platforms. It even will run on top of W95.

http://www.cygwin.com/

What Is Cygwin?
Cygwin is a Linux-like environment for Windows. It consists of two parts:
* A DLL (cygwin1.dll) which acts as a Linux API emulation layer providing substantial Linux API functionality.
* A collection of tools, which provide Linux look and feel.
The Cygwin DLL works with all non-beta, non "release candidate", ix86 32 bit versions of Windows since Windows 95, with the exception of Windows CE.

What Isn't Cygwin?
* Cygwin is not a way to run native linux apps on Windows. You have to rebuild your application from source if you want to get it running on Windows.
*Cygwin is not a way to magically make native Windows apps aware of UNIX ® functionality, like signals, ptys, etc. Again, you need to build your apps from source if you want to take advantage of Cygwin functionality.

[edDV]

I quit.
Linux is a worthless clusterfuck.
Documentation sucks, software sucks, everything sucks.

Long live Microsoft. Hell, long live Mac, too!
At least those are easy to install without an extra degree.

Easy way, get a second machine and a cheap KVM switch and instant presto !@