JLWsales Epson R200 CIS Review

[poolenglish]

Just to let you know my experience with the system.I have printed about 800 cds with jwl sales system, bought his refill kit once and not one problem. I don't have a wasted ink "whatever" either.

[macrovision]

Won't post here no-more...not that I'm upset...because I don't use what's in here? Just so you know....My printonadime kit...one month old now...I've done about 100 full-faced color DVD's...It reset twice....It did four auto-clean cycles...Two during each reset...It was suppose to goto 90% but went to 100%...(waiting for the company to answer my E-mail for an explanation) had 1 clogging problem...resolved it without palputations....perfect nozzle check ever-day since I had it until 2 day's ago...I believe the clogging was a result of me taking the carts out to re-prime them...(MR.PERFECTIONIST....MUST HAVE NO AIR GAPS IN HOSES>>>WILL RE-PRIME IF AIR GAP IS SEEN...DUHH!)...Ultraman...dude say's he did 800 cd's and only bought one refill kit?????? never had a auto-whatever ... I'm gonna get me a new jlwsales whatever Psych!!!!!

[ultraman36]

Hey just to let everyone know ive printed almost 100 full color dvd cases and about 25ish full color dvd hub printable. and my ink tanks (jwlsales) are close to half empty. different color have different amounts but the lowest is the black which is slightly more than half empty. I think it depends on how you print on how many dvd and other stuff you get. Ive been at best photo quality on epson glossy photo paper.(looks good). once the ink is almost gone then ill switch to my new printonadime 100ml cis

[macrovision]

True....I won't be around much longer though....almost finished!

[nickelzy]

Mac,

All the sh!t aside, I think most of us would rather you not leave entirely (because you have a wealth of knowledge to share), just stay on point a little more and repeat yourself a little less. That was really all that I wanted to point out because I do appreciate your willingness and passion to share and discuss these issues. At any rate, do what you will, but no need to vanish unless you really want to (or if that was what you were implying)

[bidefordboy]

Don't worry, he will be back. He has certainly given me a lot of usefull advice. We need character's like Mac to brighten up these forum's

[macrovision]

I think there's a guardian...I was brought up to be a loner and until recently I started working with the more unfortunate(Mentally Ill clients in a rehabilitation program) More stress than a extreme diet...I was gonna stop posting but you guy's made me feel better and please continue to correct me when I get outta line...."I respect disapline" and yes I've been inside of the R200....the carraige has two photo-electric sensors on it(one on the top sends info of the printe-head position...there is a clear multicolor strap that the sensor reads)and there's an infra-red sensor on the bottom of the carraige ....it reads the position of the dvd tray, Then there's one on the housing for the bar that the printhead is mounted on...it monitors the up and down movement of the printhead as for the Printhead....Impossible to remove with-out totally dismantling the printer....it'll look doable...with the two screws in the print carraige but underneath(the actual printhead has a metal plate that must be removed in order to remove the printhead....IT'S worth buying another printer to a tech!....go figure! I just learned that my printer is one month old CIS included....I've done about 100 prints....it's supposed to reset to 90%....it's a lie....I didn't touch anything this time...it resetted to 100%...so as a solution I pull the waste pad(must know how to unlock it) I rinse all my hard earned ink off...Dry it.... and I reattach the spring and hose....never the problems...as a tech you'll learn that equipment maintenance keeps the equipment working longer than expected....like changing oil in your car every 8,000 miles....and also It resets every 50 or so DvD's

[Captain315]

Mac...
Any instructions on when and how to clean this waste pad you refer to?

[macrovision]

captain315.....I just typed for about 20min sending the instructions to someone else....remember! I'm working with an R200....I've seen others but didn't look at the waste pad configuration...but I think it's the same....You'll need....Latex gloves(like the nurse uses to draw blood), Neddle nosed pliers,hot running water, and a clean dust free cloth....first put on the gloves.....power on the printer....when the light stops flashing press the ink button for cartridge exchange....when it goes to the exchange position move it over to the left by hand....now look to the right and you'll see the infamous waste pad.....with gloves on push the sides of the waste pad down....be gentle...don't manhandle it! While pushing down slide the waste pad to the left....you'll feel it unlock....now gently lift it and with your free hand push the large spring down and grab the small hose...gently pull the hose down to detach it....take it and run it under hot water until no more color comes off of it....now turn it face down and shake it up and down vigerously to get off all excess water...take it back to the clean cloth and gently tap it against the cloth to dry it even more....as yoiu tap it the cloth will get wet so change places you tap it on the cloth.....now set it down near the printer with the wiper blade facing left...Take off the gloves....pick up the spring and make sure a little of the hose is in the center....use the neddle nosed pliers to grab the hose and pull it throgh the center.....DO NOT PULL HARD!!!!YOU'LL BREAK THE HOSE!! pull the hose so that you can grab it with your other hand.....once you grab the hose with your hand put down the neddle nosed pliers and use your free hand to push the spring down and get nan even better grip on the hose leaving a inch of the top of the hose free...now pick up the waste pad.....and face the wiper blade to the left...bring it into the printer and reattach the hose by pushing the hose on the long stem(outlet port)...now the wiper blade faces left so aligne the round spring to be in the center and push the sides of the waste pad down until it stops and then move it to the right to lock it back into place...now line the carraige back to the colored dot(black to black...ect.) now press the ink button and it'll park the head! your done!

[Captain315]

Thanks Mac...

[jarvis1781]

as a tech you'll learn that equipment maintenance keeps the equipment working longer than expected....like changing oil in your car every 8,000 miles....and also It resets every 50 or so DvD's

As a hobby mechanic I know more about cars than I do printers. 3000-5000 miles is a better oil change interval. That will keep it working as expected. 8000 miles is pushing it.

[macrovision]

True...that was an example....I don't drive......have a fear of driving due to past accidents....live in N.Y. .....people here drive like their crazy!!!

[locky]

Mac...
Any instructions on when and how to clean this waste pad you refer to?

hat off to you mac, this much much better.

[macrovision]

Thanks Locky

[macrovision]

PLEASE do not kill this forum with 2 word replies,

or useless REDUNDANT information.

I THINK A CHAT forum might be the best for that.



PLEASE....NO replies to this post are necessary. thank you

:Maybe your looking for a friend? I'm here for you if ever you should need me. Just call my name and I'll be there!

[offline]

Please keep it civil..

poolenglish & macrovision take note.

Thanks

[ekiny3k]

I have a set of pigment 8 color ink from JLWsales. I bought from him for $110, but my printer got some errors, and i haven't used the ink. I would sell it back for $65.00 included shipping. If you want it, please email me at gonsongtinhyeu@yahoo.com. Thank you.

[scott_tiger]

R200/300 refills this seller is cheap and good.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6766251937&fromMakeTrack=true

You get all 6 colors for $90 included shipping with 16oz (480ml each approx)

[dmagic1]

Did anyone ever try this guy?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14303&item=6765304982&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

[Bodyslide]

No but I might. I have no refills for my Epson left. I might get a set middle of the month.

[Idle]

I wouldn't -- the different ink delivery methods require ink formulations to suit and he sells "one ink fits all."

If it suits pressure delivery (Epson, late Canon) it's unlikely to be right for heat delivery systems (Canon bubblejet, HP etc.) and vice versa.

[Bodyslide]

Thanks for the heads up. I will wait to see if someone else takes the plunge first. Thanks

[poolenglish]

Well i had my first problem with the cis..... (AFTER 5 MONTHS)
I freaked out, I Cleaned, tested, and sucked out ink from cart and no colors were printing. Finally after I bought another r200 printer ($100)...... and installed the cis the problem was the same.

I raised the tank with a cd cake box ; so the ink was higher than the lowest point in the printer.......voila ! now all working like new, whew!

Now the original printer is working fine,... and i have a spare printer i guess.

LIVE AND LEARN...

[zanos]

I'm currently have a problem where one of my collors isn't printing. The printer detects the cartridge and everything but I have no yellow in any of my printouts. I even got jwsales to send me a new cartridge but nothing works. Head cleaning is useless. Can this be fixed?

[Idle]

1. If you still have a working OEM cartridge set, try putting that in and see if the missing colour returns -- if it does then the problem is in the CIS somewhere.

2. Carefully clean the contacts on the printer where the cartridge chip connects (be gentle -- if you bend one the repair is more than just difficult, it's wellnigh impossible!)

3. Since you replaced the cartridge, you've probably done this:

Make sure there's air inlet to the ink supply tanks (no blocked filter etc. -- they MUST be vented to atmosphere), then, in case it's loss of syphon (an air leak, blocked, kinked or otherwise restricted tube etc., suck some ink through the offending cartridge with a syringe.

4. Get the free SSC service utility off the 'net (sscserve.exe -- a google search will turn it up) and investigate its possibilities.

My cyan cartridge did exactly the same thing and (1) above worked -- finally turned out to be a failed chip, which evidently yours is not, but it could still be a flow problem.

In passing, very carefully inspect the JLWSales (and all other, I suppose...) cartridge-to-head seals -- in mine the '0' rings were of such poor quality I'm not putting the system back in, even if the cartridge is replaced, for when I took it out some were leaking into the printer and it had been installed but once.

[zanos]

Thanks for responding. It's definately a flow problem from the tanks to the yellow cart. Ink has literally dried up inside the tube but the yellow cart always had ink in it. I should still be getting yellow though but I'm not. Anyway I did replace the yellow jwsales cart with my old oem one and I was able to do a nozzle check on it confirming that the yellow does print. However I am not able to print properly with that cart in there and I'm getting alot of green. It's possible I have a failed chip but on two different jlwsales carts?

[Idle]

Ink has literally dried up inside the tube but the yellow cart always had ink in it. I should still be getting yellow though but I'm not

That's your problem, for sure.

There will either be a point inside the tube where flow is blocked altogether or so restricted that the flow can't match consumption, or a faulty "O" ring on the cartridge outlet allowing air to leak back and break the vacuum.

The restriction, if any, may be in the tube or in one of the right-angle spigots the tube attaches to -- or possibly even a bit of foreign matter lodged over the outlet in the bottom of the supply tank.

If the flow stops it will print for a while, but not to the point where the ink runs out, for it will form a vacuum inside the cart (which, by definition, must be airtight -- the OEM and other non-CIS carts are not) that will balance the pull of the print head and either stop flow out the channel or suck air in from the bottom and cause an air lock -- either one resulting in none of that colour going through the print head.

Your course here is either to clear the blockage in the tube (being careful not to suck dried ink into the cartridge) or replace the tube set.

To clean the tube wouldn't be easy, I should think, but you might be able to disconnect the offending one at both ends, insert a syringe full of something like blue Windex or other ammonia-based glass cleaner into one end and pump it through (actually, I'd do it from both ends alternately) -- if you do that, make sure you get all gunk out, physically check that the tank and cart spigots are clear (work a bit of fine flexible wire through them) re-attach the tube to the tank and then pull some ink through it and discard before re-attaching the tube to the cart -- you don't want the cleaning fluid getting into the cartridge.

After connecting it all up, re-prime the cart before putting the set back in the printer.

To make sure there isn't an air leak, it's also a good idea to put some sealant over the tube-to-spigot joints.

I'm pretty sure that would cure it.

You'd also eventually get the same problem if you left the transport seals in the supply tanks -- but YOU wouldn't do that, would you?

Good hunting!

[zanos]

That sounds like a good enough solution except for all the work I'd probably end up putting into it not knowing if it would even properly knowing my luck. I don't want to waste $75 buying some other cis after I spent $120 on this piece of junk but I think for my own sanity I'll probably have to go that route. After I setup my new system I'll probably try what you suggested. Thanks for the help.

[Idle]

It sounds like a lot more work than it is, you know -- but it's your money...

[macrovision]

Truely spoken Idle...ya know ya stuff.... If it's worth anything I think it may be better to cut your losses(the person having the problem) and goto E-bay...find the $50 Cis without ink and use the ink you have left to fill the new cis because I tried the replace the cart technique and FYI it's gonna be alot of work, You may end-up with the same problem in any or all of the remaining carts plus the replacement cart connects in the rear of the cart... the originals connect in the front so there's always a flow problem since the tubes can't lay in one direction.... NOW MAY I HAVE 1 CENT ?