JLWsales Epson R200 CIS Review

[scott_tiger]

Good picture and I appreciate your picture with details on it. I just saw this today, but last week I tried to pull the back cover but was half way and unsuccessful. So I ended up pulling the tube out and placing it in small film case. If you have any manual that you can suggest for R200 to open it ,please share it.

I have placed my picture here to share it others.........

http://www.magprotech.com/r200/IMG_1383.jpg

Well I managed to pop the top off the printer to do the ink waste mod. A bit of a pain, I hope I didn't break anything.

http://home.comcast.net/~nevercloudy/backsidewide.jpg

[pixiemom]

Odinfire, how did you get the replacement carts that are better than the original ones? I want carts like those when I order the CIS system from JLW. Do I ask him if he can do it with the new carts from the beginning, or....? You say the tube attaches at the bottom? Do you have to hotglue it in place?

[///m]

I have placed my picture here to share it others.........

http://www.magprotech.com/r200/IMG_1383.jpg

Trust me, you'll want a bigger safety margin than that container gives you.

http://home.comcast.net/~nevercloudy/r300bottle.jpg

[odinfire]

Odinfire, how did you get the replacement carts that are better than the original ones? I want carts like those when I order the CIS system from JLW. Do I ask him if he can do it with the new carts from the beginning, or....? You say the tube attaches at the bottom? Do you have to hotglue it in place?

After I had difficulty with the cart being clogged, JLWSales sent me a replacement kit. It was actually a new kit with different carts then the original. As I only had to replace one, all my carts are still the old style except for light magenta. I really wonder why light magenta seems to be the color that clogs. humph.

In any event, you might simply ask him for additional carts when you order. Im sure he would be able to work something out.

To answer your other question... the replacement carts seem much more flexible with the tubing. It can be removed and replaced at will. As I just wanted to be certain everything was secure, after I was able to get the ink to flow through, I did use hotglue to firmly attach the tube. I dont think its necessary, but I tend to worry a lot. In any event, I havent had a problem since.

[///m]

I got so frustrated with my clogged cartridges I decided to try using a syringe to suck through any problems via the bottom of the cartridge.

Well my efforts don't seem to draw new ink from the tanks through the tubes and into the cartridges. Am I doing something wrong or not applying enough force?

It seemed to me the cartridges just wouldn't let out any ink. Are people who have tried this method just using the syringe without a needle or should I have a needle and try stabbing it deeper before attempting to draw ink through?

[Talus]

Scott_tiger,


If you are anyone is interested in the full R300 service manual, you can download it from here:

http://www.ozmods.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=78

You might need to sign up with the forum to get it. I have it and will forward it anyone interested, but it will be a 9MB pdf attachment.

I have an R200 which is very similar to the r300.

[bidefordboy]

Better get it quick, take a look at this :-

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the password access will change frequently and you should contact ciss@ozmods.com should you require assistance.

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[dmagic1]

@odinfire

Thats what I was thinking. I could tell that the source of the clogs was where the tube and the cart meet. When ever I pull ink/air from my clogged cart, the cart would always start to cave in. This would tell me that nothing in the tube was coming into the cart. Yet I could also tell that there was no problem in the length of the tube. I must have really did a number on my light magenta last time because its been working great even since the last time I unclogged it. Thats always the way though, time you get a replacement coming, the thing works perfectly.

[dmagic1]

@///m and others

Use a syringe with no needle.

Your cart will either be in two conditions. Either completely empty (most likely), or with a little ink still in it. You can tell by shaking the cart.

Take the filter off the small ink tank. Hold the syringe at the carts bottom opening. Try to brace the cart against the printer. I found that it’s not good to try to hold the cart because you end up squeezing it. If you do hold it don’t hold the sides. You can brace the top of the cart against the printer and hold it in place with the syringe that you’re holding at the bottom. Be sure you don’t have the tube folded or any pressure on it. Draw any ink that inside out. You can put that ink back into a container to be used later. If you have the syringe placed right you will feel the syringe trying to go back in as your pull air/ink out.
Once you see the cart starting to cave in you have most of the air out. Now pull some more air out but stop with the syringe thing about half way. The air pressure should be trying to pull the syringe back in. Hold it right there and let the pressure do the rest. Ink should slowly or quickly start to be pulled in. If it’s moving slowly it will be hard to tell unless you have a bubble to watch. Keep holding it. It may take a little time or a few attempts. When you see/hear that bubble in the large ink tank you know your getting somewhere. Once you get it going try to get the cart as full as possible. You may need to shake the cart every now and then to see how much is left to go.

Hopefully this will unclog your cart.

[///m]

dmagic,

Thanks a bunch. I wish I would have checked this link before trying to experiment and discover stuff on my own. You've already done the homework. I might have to do this routine again using your instructions.

I just took out all the cartridges, stuck the syringe at the exit hole at the bottom and tried to vacuum ink inside out. How come I wasn't able to start pulling ink from the source tanks into the cartridge? I didn't think to take the filter off the tank so I suppose that could have resulted in some resistance, but I had a vacuum for a while steady and it wasn't doing a thing. It just seemed like I could only extract so much out of the cartridge and then it started caving in. Anyway, I could tell the cartridges were empty (very very light).

I proceeded then to fill the syringe up and press ink into the cartridge again through the exit hole. It sure seemed like I made progress since after one was done it felt heavier. But where did the air go? It didn't go into the tube (I didn't see an air bubble going into the tubes from the top of the cartridges). The cartridges were definitely bowing at the sides when I forced ink in as if it had no where to go. Again is there some mechanism keeping ink from readily flowing through between the cartridge itself and the tubes? I suppose if it was so easy to force ink through the cartridges to the tanks (and vice versa) we'd have ink all over the bottom of our printers.

We'll see how they print tomorrow. I'll let them sit overnight.

For anyone who has gotten a replacement, what can you tell, if anything, was the design change from the first version? Bigger tubes?

[dmagic1]

Yea, its not easy. I make it sound simple and quick but it make take time and effort.

[BCAESE]

Hi guys I just bought the r200 printer and I am looking to get a CIS kit ASAP. Can someone send me a link or contact to order one

[bidefordboy]

Here it is http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1246&item=6748499071&rd=1

[BCAESE]

When the tanks run out do buy another kit

Do you buy refills Are refills available

[bidefordboy]

When the ink get's low buy some bulk ink & top the tank's up. You can buy the ink from JWLSales or from anywhere else. I would suggest that you buy ink that is matched for Epson printers though. Look back through the post's & see where the other guy's buy their ink.

I live in the UK & buy my ink here http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69932&item=6749168544&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW , this guy even supplies a syringe & gloves.

[BCAESE]

Thanks! I'll take a look through the posts. I appreciate the replies

[shtrpumf]

Hi,

i got the JLW kit since a month and my black is below 20% now and the cartridge doesnt seems to refill

Do i need to restart the printer to refill it ? i normally always keep printer because i use it almost every day

thanks

John

[dmagic1]

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Cart refill?
You mean 20% in the monitor or 20% of the CIS tank?
No you don't have to restart the printer.

[bidefordboy]

'shtrpumf'
Don't worry, your carts are always full. The monitor will shoot back up to full again soon. Carry on printing.

[Mirot87]

Has anyone thought about cutting the top of the printer on the left side where the carts go under the lid?

I dont like how the tubes bump pretty hard against the opening every time it goes far left.

If i cut the opening on the left side wider then the tubes wouldnt bump it. Is this a bad idea?

[Bodyslide]

Someone earlier in this topic did this. They used a knife that had been heated. I think it was back on page 7 or 8. Good Luck

[Mirot87]

Where can i find details on how to 'reset' the printer when it thinks the waste ink trays are full?

[Bodyslide]

The SSC utility does this for my Epson 900. I haven't tried it yet on the R200.

http://www.ssclg.com/epsone.shtml

Also has a good forum. Some of it's in English.

[scott_tiger]

I felt the same problem as you did and I did cut it using a heated knife. Look in this forum i have pictures too placed on how it will look like....

Has anyone thought about cutting the top of the printer on the left side where the carts go under the lid?

I dont like how the tubes bump pretty hard against the opening every time it goes far left.

If i cut the opening on the left side wider then the tubes wouldnt bump it. Is this a bad idea?

[bidefordboy]

Has anyone thought about cutting the top of the printer on the left side where the carts go under the lid?

I dont like how the tubes bump pretty hard against the opening every time it goes far left.

If i cut the opening on the left side wider then the tubes wouldnt bump it. Is this a bad idea?

If you set your system up as on page 1 the tubing won't slap against the top of the printer housing.

[shtrpumf]

it's 20% on the monitor for black and around 35-40% for other colour on the monitor

Thanks for info, i will keep printing

[dmagic1]

Press the ink button on the printer. Once the carriage moves to the exchange position press the ink button again. Next time you print, the carts at 1/4 and lower should reset.

[dishinit]

An installation from Hell!
Warning! Do not try this at Home!
OK, Finally got my R300 up and running with the JLW CIS Kit.
I did just about everything possibly one can do wrong in my installation!
1st, I threaded the cartridges through my cartridge clamp so that I could use the clamp to secure my cartridges, only to discover that the clamp would not close after all the cartridges were seated. Checked & doubled checked and still it would not lock closed. This prevented me from going further, so.....
I then had to reverse the process, threading the cartridges back through the clamp. By this time, the tube bracket on the 1st cart had come loose(I had repositioned it in my attempt to get the clamp to lock), this resulted in the individual carts getting entangled as I passed them one by one back through the clamp....Oh my God!...!
Finally, I untwisted the carts & now the feed tube to the ink supply. Then I removed the cart clamp with the 2 screws & reinstalled the JLW carts and screwed the black bracket (now removed from the clamp)back in place as it covers and protects the print head pins.
I was also concerned that I had somehow fouled the copper connectors on the carts with all the fumbling I had gone through threading the carts back and forth through the clamp. There was now "ink on my hands"
But I was determined!
I then hot glued the cart bracket back to the 1st cart, and prepared to turn on the printer, forgetting to now remove the seals on the ink bottles and install the filters, but that is later in this episode.
I secured my feed tube bracket (supplied by JLW) to the inside of the front of my printer using the double stick tape supplied.
Also at this time, I had forgoten that I had two prints in the print que already waiting from a networked computer as running out of ink had stopped the printer & insprired me to install the JLW system. But we''ll get back to this!
Anyway,
I turned on the printer, saw air bubbles being drawn through the feed tube went to printer preferences and clicked through to a nozzle check.
Now can you imagine my surprise when at 1st the print head moves to start printing and stops in the middle and makes a horrible grinding noise, I turn the printer off, check as to what may have happened and see that the feed tube (where it leaves the second bracket & exits the printer) has snagged itself on the cart/print head and needs repositioning.
I am sweating by now, as the grinding noise has totally freaked me out.
But I go on!
I decide to reposition the 2nd feed tube bracket to the top of my printer much like the arrangement utilized by "tonyiws" on page two of this thread. After cleaning the double faced tape off the bracket, I hot glue it in the same position as "tonyiws" did, then installed a 3rd bracket (also supplied by JLW) to make sure the remaining feed tube would clear the print head in operation.
Feeling confident that all was OK, I turned on my printer, the head repositioned itself & I again went to printer preferences and clicked throught to Nozzle check, clicked on it & nothing happened.
Turn off the Printer, turn on the printer, nothing happens, click on nozzle check again, nothing happens!
Then I think to reboot everything, turn off the printer, reboot my main computer and restart. I then turn on the printer and immediately it starts to print.....nothing. Well almost nothing, light and incomplete characters fading to nothing.
I see air bubbles moving in the feed tube but nothing coming out of the print head.
Two pages of nozzle check run rapidly through the printer, then a 3rd page starts, which I realize is an actual print & again I have to shut down the printer mid stream as no ink is coming from the print head.
I look everything over, all looks good, decide to do a head clean routine, turn back on the printer click through to head cleaning and watch nothing... Realize I have to reboot all and once everything is up & running I watch more air bubbles being sucked up the feed tubes. Then I do a nozzle check, again nothing.
By this time I am sure I have seriously damaged the printer/print head or the cartridges or both. I am now sweating even more profusely!
Then I remembered the filters.....DUH...What a vacuum I had succeeded in creating. I am surprised the tops did not get sucked into the containers!
I installed the filters and once again perform a nozzle check, still nothing, another head clean/nozzle check and finally start seeing ink on paper.... but not good. Broken lines meant two more head clean routines, but still broken lines...better, but not perfect.
In frustration (desperation really), I decided to do a purge print and see if I really did destroy my printer. Amazingly the print was fine and sharp and all colors were there.
I finished the project I had left hanging and then did another nozzle check to find that they had cleared themselves. Whew!
Double checked my print alignment and now all is now well.
And By the way did I read the 16 pages of this forum and the JLW install directions before I attempted this installation.
The only problem is, I read them days ago and did not recheck the instructions as I was waiting to use up my OEM ink before installing the JLW system.
Lesson learned!
Laugh if you must, but just don't do what I did.
Believe me, it can happen!

One more thing, I use a lot of Kirkland Glossy Photo Paper. When printing from Qimage or PS CS with the JLW inks, I am finding that using the Ilford Smooth High Gloss ICC printer profile, produce a very close match to my monitor (set at Adobe RGB [1998]), when using Kirkland (Costco) Glossy paper.
The Epson SPR300 Premium Glossy ICM printer profile produced overly saturated colors in my prints, most noticeable in resulting darker skin tones on this paper.
When using the Ilford profile and in Epson printer preferences, I also set media type as Premium Glossy & Print Quality as Photo RPM, with ICM and "No Color Adjustment" checked. Result, great looking prints on inexpensive paper with low ink costs. Now to check for longevity.
And for those who may be curious, I do not smell any ammonia from the ink.

[bidefordboy]

WOW.........To think I missed all that fun when I installed mine.
Well done. Let's hope you now get your money's worth from this kit. Have'nt we all done that before though, bought something & thought 'I can do that, will look at the instructions if I get a problem', only to regret it later.

[scott_tiger]

Hello everybody,
Can anyone suggest if i can buy ink for JLW CIS at other places.

I found this site and i wanted to know if somebody used this ink and is it a good match to R200 System

http://www.misterinkjet.com/epson-t048120-t048620-cartridges.htm

I need only few colors and this place it easy to buy indvidual colors for low shipping cost...

Look at the prices below the more you buy it is cheaper (128oz=3776ml) is $62 + $5 Shipping, so on average it would cost 0.50cents/oz... While JLW refill ink would cost $2.5/oz...

Your inputs please.........