Star Trek Enterprise Season Premiere Friday 10/8

[Doramius]

Here's a Series. StarTrek: Klingon Covert WarBird Klalchgh! [clears throat]

And they have alien beings (most being Klingon) other than human, yet they are 100% part of the Federation. Kind of like a spy StarTrek Series, where they infiltrate enemy lines gathering information to help avoid wars. If they get caught, they must commit the funky Klingon suicide routine that I can't pronounce because it makes my throat hurt. Or they have a special rescue to break the person out or kill their friend to keep information from being leaked out or known.

[yoda313]

Hello,

What's up???? Repeats after 6 episodes?????

Anyway the Vulcan trilogy was OK. It could have been a little more suspensful.

And is it just me or are they completely rewriting the vulcans in Enterprise??? They've got emotion flying off the wall with these guys. And Tpal calling her mother "MOM"???? Guess the humans have stripped all vulcanness from her.

It just seems like they've really cut loose with the old stand by's.

Even Tuvok was much more stoic then these guys (except when he'd be under "alien influences" and such ).

Kevin

EDIT - Oops forgot the first two episodes were the conclusion from last seasons cliff hanger. But still 8 episodes and then repeats????

[Doramius]

Don't forget, the time period when the Vulcans met the people of Earth, the logical way of life was not very old for them. They had a large course of chaos in their history. This is why they gave up the normal way of life and went with logical thinking. There may still be some old thoughts and traits of emotion in the earlier Vulcans. Spock himself was human/vulcan. His mother was 100%human. She died sometime around the 4th Star Trek Movie. There was even a book about it. He came back to tell his mother about his experience on Earth in the late 20th century, and spent time with her before she died. Sarik grieved heavily and was in isolation for many years and rarely heard from except for large council meetings of the Federation. "It was only Logical to do so." He would go back into isolation for lengthy periods of time. Star Trek TNG had more interaction with Sarik because he had finished his grieving period. I would think a couple hundred years would be enough time. There was brief explanation about it in TNG, but no detail compared to the books. I haven't read anything of Star Trek prior to TOS, but I think it's enough information to get an understanding why there are possible emotions in vulcans for StarTrek: Enterprise.

[stiltman]

All this and now we can expect to see the Romulans in future epesodes. Least that's what it seemed like at the very end of the last show

[yoda313]

Hello,

Doramius - yeah but even in Enterprise they talk about the age or reason with Surak being 1800 years before. To me that means they've been doing "logic" and "emotional repression" for ages already.

They are pretty tight and not as loud as humans but they're way looser than the later vulcans.

Remember, Spock is 80 years after Enterprise (the original series Spock). To me that stuff would have been pretty hard grained in the society.

Not to mention that whole junk with mindmelding.

How can it go from "rogue religion" to mainstream in less than a century?? They make it sound like a long and practiced art in ALL of the Star Trek's (movies and tv).

It just seems to me that they're playing fast and loose with all of this well established lore because they're desperate. And that's the problem of doing "prequel" stuff in Star Trek. It's so structured that you change something in the past it's hard to accept for all the established Trek lore that came before it.

Kevin

[yoda313]

Hello,

All this and now we can expect to see the Romulans in future epesodes. Least that's what it seemed like at the very end of the last show
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That's another problem. I read somewhere that the first REAL encounter with Romulans was during The Original Series.

That's why that one episode where Reed got the mine stuck in his leg only had the Romulan ship and no Romulans.

If they show Romulans to the Enterprise crew they'll COMPLETELY screw up the timeline.

Just like how they had Ferengis on. In TNG they had "scattered" reports on them. After that episode they'd have a pretty hard description of them. Jeesh and they complain about LUCAS screwing around with Star Wars history...

Kevin

[Doramius]

It's because the creator is dead. They think they can hire people off the street with no knowledge of the series and rewrite the whole history. I see the prequel flopping fast for lack of following structure. I said that before.

[yoda313]

It's because the creator is dead. They think they can hire people off the street with no knowledge of the series and rewrite the whole history. I see the prequel flopping fast for lack of following structure. I said that before.

Hello,

Can't argue with that there....

Kevin

[Garibaldi]

that's another problem. I read somewhere that the first REAL encounter with Romulans was during The Original Series.

That's why that one episode where Reed got the mine stuck in his leg only had the Romulan ship and no Romulans.

If they show Romulans to the Enterprise crew they'll COMPLETELY screw up the timeline.

Just like how they had Ferengis on. In TNG they had "scattered" reports on them. After that episode they'd have a pretty hard description of them. Jeesh and they complain about LUCAS screwing around with Star Wars history...

Yeah, I remember that too. I guess the actual thing that Kirk said was that was the first time that humans saw the face of the Romulans, and then concluded that they were vulcans. I guess that the ent people could have Romulans on the show without destroying the timeline by portraying them as "Vulcans in disguise" that way the earthers would think they are just vulcans and never make the connection. Still it is pushing the limits. But they choose to do a prequel and they should have anticipated stuff like this.

[gastorgrab]

I think they're stretching a bit with this episode......trying to make things fit.

During the casting call for StarTrek Enterprize, the part of the Vulcan ( T'Pau was eventually changed to T'Pol) was given to Jolene Blalock. Was this a typo?

In StarTrek the original series, episode entitled "Amok Time", Kirk and Spock fought in a Vulcan ritual presided over by T'Pau. Is this the same character?

Looks like they were fixing a slip-up!

[gastorgrab]

Yes it is the same character.

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/library/character/bio/1115350.html

so they changed the name from T'Pau to T'Pol when they realized there was a conflict.