Editing 'offensive' materials from DVDs--improve my method!!

[lordsmurf]

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[dimad]

Hello:

I am in a situation where I need to edit a variety of films for language, violence and sex. Here is my current method, but it has video quality downsides:
1. First I rip the dvd with DVD2AVI and get a AC3 Audio track and separate AVI file (I delete the AVI file because, in my opinion, DVD2AVI makes inferior ripped video). So with DVD2AVI, I'm only after the audio.
2. Next, I rip the video from the DVD (again) with FlaskMPEG.
3. Then I load the .WAV file from DVD2AVI in CoolEditPro. I go through the audio, silencing out all questionable language. Then Iresave the edited audio track.
4. I take my edited audio track and flaskMPEG video and join them in VirtualDUB. Then I edit out frames with extreme violence and/or sex. I resave this as one .AVI file
5. Finally, I use DVD2SVCD to convert my .avi to DVD files (I use TMPGenc in combination with this) and then I burn my DVD with NERO.

Is there a better way to do this, so as to have better video quality??

Thanks in advance,

Drex

That surely sounds like a long process. Take whole DVD apart, make small changes, put it together...

May have sense for subtle editing, like muting audio keeping video. But if you need to cut out everything - video, audio, subs - cut it all together. There are plenty of ways to do it. DvdShrink reauthoring will work if you don't need menu. DvdReMake will let you keep menu and cut out anything from the movie.

[rhegedus]

Hello:

I am in a situation where I need to edit a variety of films for language, violence and sex. Here is my current method, but it has video quality downsides:
1. First I rip the dvd with DVD2AVI and get a AC3 Audio track and separate AVI file (I delete the AVI file because, in my opinion, DVD2AVI makes inferior ripped video). So with DVD2AVI, I'm only after the audio.
2. Next, I rip the video from the DVD (again) with FlaskMPEG.
3. Then I load the .WAV file from DVD2AVI in CoolEditPro. I go through the audio, silencing out all questionable language. Then Iresave the edited audio track.
4. I take my edited audio track and flaskMPEG video and join them in VirtualDUB. Then I edit out frames with extreme violence and/or sex. I resave this as one .AVI file
5. Finally, I use DVD2SVCD to convert my .avi to DVD files (I use TMPGenc in combination with this) and then I burn my DVD with NERO.

Is there a better way to do this, so as to have better video quality??

Thanks in advance,

Drex

Load the VOBs into TMPGEnc DVD Author and just cut out the offending segments.

If you need to compress, just transcode.

Should take less than an hour in total.

[MackemX]

as Marvingj mentioned let's take lordsmurf's/caseycomb's advice and relate it to this thread

if it offends you read another thread :P

or if you want to use gitreels advice, logout

@Drex. the best thing you can do is take something like Will's advice and ignore the jokers

last I knew people come here for advice not funny remarks without even giving advice. If you want fun and games then OT is the place to be 8)

c'mon people, grow up FFS and share your knowledge instead of making fun of people asking for advice

would DVDShrink's reauthor not be handy in this situation to crop the parts out. You can then use Vobedit or similar to join them back up. Demux the output of that silencing the audio and then remux using Ifoedit

[Capmaster]

Come on you guys!

The guy asked a legitimate question, in the correct forum I might add, and you're jumping all over him because you don't approve that he might just want to edit out the offensive material. And the pile-on by the wanna-bes is shameless.

Threadjacking, making judgments about the thread starter's reasons for wanting to edit the material .....making smart-ass comments like "change the channel" or "don't watch it". Not helping because you don't approve of censorship.

Disgusting. Shame on you Lordsmurf, and you too, CaseyComb. This crap is hardly in the spirit of this forum :P



Agreed.
/ Moderator Cobra

[makntraks]

Boy... this would have been a great thread for me to jump on if it were not for Jeanne

makntraks

[RottenFoxBreath]

getting down to the bare bones of the thread,i believe that the original topic poster would have to gain the consent of studio/owner of copyrighted material,which i doubt he would,and so,shouldnt bother with what hes doing as its illegal.!

[gitreel]

There is a dvd player that you can buy from Wallyworld that will edit out the offensive stuff while the dvd is playing.

You could try that.

[MackemX]

@RottenFoxBreath, he doesn't state it's copyrighted, so normally people will just overlook the fact whether it could be and just offer advice

I guess you could apply what you are saying to the vast majority of posts here but I know what you mean

[MackemX]

There is a dvd player that you can buy from Wallyworld that will edit out the offensive stuff while the dvd is playing.

You could try that.

thanks for the advice gitree but it's not for me but do you normally buy stuff at the shop or online at the Wallyworld website?

http://www.wallyworld.com/

[gitreel]

I meant Wal-Mart.

I call it Wallyworld.

[hudsonf]

I hope he meant Wal-Mart
Posted to late! I've heard a lot of people call it Wally World.

[MackemX]

I hope he ment Wal-mart

I don't think he did even though he's now saying he supposedly meant Wal-Mart

I suppose that's what you get for trying to be a smart ass, you sometimes get one up the rear



p.s. unless of course he speaks the truth about the player

[gitreel]

Yes,

I am telling the truth about the dvd player.

There was a story about a player at wal-mart a couple of months ago that would edit out offensive materal as it is played.

[vhelp]

@ Drex

I kind of like things a little more simple (if thats at all posible) ..

( I'm assuming that the reason you want to "edit for content" is because you
have kids, and don't think its safe at their age to watch and hear such
nonsense in many of todays movies )
.
Assuming the above, then.., after all, they are kids. No sense on going the
distance w/ such steps to perfection. They won't notice. Really. Anyways.

Here are steps that I would probably use:

* smartripper
... (rip to hard drive your vobs)

* dvd2avi
... ( in my OP, the quality is great, (using VFAPI codec) )
... First, determine if the movie is TRUE film, evident by dvd2avi's widnow
... showing its Video Type as being Film. If its true film, proceed to
... and make .D2V project, but with the dvd2avi setting: Video/Field Operation
... and select Forced Film. However, if the source says Interlace, then using
... the same steps, select None (instead of Forced Film) and proceed to make
... your .d2v project.

* import .d2v project file into VFAPI and convert to a psuedo .AVI file.

* open this psuedo .AVI file inside virtualdbud and cut out whatever scenes
... you feel is 'offensive'. Just highlight the frames, and then press DEL key.

* frameserve the final "edited for content" avi file to your favorite encoder
... and encode (if Film, encode w/ 23.976 fps and 3:2 Pulldown selcted inside TMPG)
... (if Interlace, encode w/ 29.970 fps and Interlace ticked in both TABS)

* author/burn to DVD


What will determine (or help to) better video quality, is your skills for one,
and using an IVTC process in your project (if source is determined to be Film)
This alone will add 20% quality. Movies that are Interlace will not give you
as good a quality as those that can be processed as Film (aka, 23.976fps)

-vhelp

[lordsmurf]

Updated this:
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1052998#1052998

I think this answers your questions and more.

[Supreme2k]

Just to clear up some of the lingering questions, since I do work for a public school in the U.S. (government insitution):

1. Copyright is left a little open in this regard, due to educational purposes. I'll try to get a scan of the mandate regarding this. The studios often supply an edited movie free of charge (like those on airlines), but will allow local editing if there is a time constraint or no stock.

2. Whether there is an assumption made that the students "will see it unedited anyway" by anyone else, the school does condone movies above PG-13. Even if the students are over 18, as long as they are in school, they are basically minors (at school). If the movie is originally R, but edited and approved by the proper personnel, it can be shown.

Most of this also applies to private schools, so that they can maintain their license.

[offline]

CaseyComb,

I agree with most of what you say but not how you
behaved. The main thing we should
oppose about certain belief systems is how they
attempt to dictate the behavior of others. By
attacking the original poster you were playing
their game imo.

[jimmalenko]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read this question :

I am in a situation where I need to edit a variety of films for language, violence and sex.
...
Is there a better way to do this, so as to have better video quality??

... yet some people seem to have read it as:

Is it legal/moral/ethical to edit a variety of films for language, violence and sex ?

I don't believe the 2nd one was ever asked.

[CaseyComb]

Possibly, Offline, I'll admit I may have skirted that line for sure. I was only trying to create a counterpoint and I did offer a suggestion. Maybe not one Drex liked, but a suggestion none the less.

As for Drex...well I've said my piece. My passion is for films you may consider them nothing (utter disregard is more like it) but I don't.

[gll99]

Drex
My thoughts were similar to Supreme2k. As a parent I would have great interest in what optional material was being used in class. I'm sure the school authorities would also. I can see why you would choose to apply caution in choosing certain material even if you did it to satisfy your own principles and conscience.
This is not necessarily a religious or moral decision as some seem to think because I edited Disney films on tape when my children were younger because although the movies were generally good there were a few scenes in movies like Dumbo and Pinnochio etc.. that at a young age it was not in their best emotional interest to see. A parental right yes but more importantly an obligation on my part.
lordsmurfs suggestion to use mpeg-vcr is probably the easiest if you have that tool but if not then as was suggested by another user then I would use virtualdub for ease of use and it's free.
Hope you are successful.
@CaseyComb
I am not particularly religious but find your ranting about someone else's religious book very offensive. Be respectful of the members of this community who may have beliefs different than yours. Discussing religion is against the AUP. Lets stick to the subject. Drex's querry has nothing to do with that. It is a simple video editing question.

[offline]

@ jimmalenko

Whoa,

pot kettle black Jimmy :P

@ CaseyComb

I also have issues agaiinst such "censorship" but
countries do it (Malaysia), Airlines do it, hollywood
does it and even film directors themselves do it.

I just hope Drex points out to his students that
they are watching an abridged or edited film.
Personally I loath the practice.

[jimmalenko]

@ jimmalenko

Whoa,

pot kettle black Jimmy :P

In times gone by maybe ....

I have changed since those days - notice my contributions to this thread

[Supreme2k]

In case you guys missed it:

Come on you guys!

The guy asked a legitimate question, in the correct forum I might add, and you're jumping all over him because you don't approve that he might just want to edit out the offensive material. And the pile-on by the wanna-bes is shameless.

Threadjacking, making judgments about the thread starter's reasons for wanting to edit the material .....making smart-ass comments like "change the channel" or "don't watch it". Not helping because you don't approve of censorship.

Disgusting. Shame on you Lordsmurf, and you too, CaseyComb. This crap is hardly in the spirit of this forum :P



Agreed.
/ Moderator Cobra

Also, as I explained, there are certain rules that he might have to follow in regards to what he can show. In order to show the more powerful films (and skip the gratuitous f-bombs and nudity), they have to be slightly edited.

Since the question's been answered several times, that should be the end of it.

[offline]

Since the question's been answered several times, that should be the end of it.

Why? Unless a Mod locks it or it dies a natural death
we should feel free to continue this thread.

AFAIC the editing of films is a issue I'm happy
to discuss because I feel strongly about it.

[jimmalenko]

I think the moral judgement should stop. Nothing wrong with the technical discussion continuing though.

[indolikaa]

This will only take 5 minutes.

[rhegedus]

Load the VOBs into TMPGEnc DVD Author and just cut out the offending segments.

If you need to compress, just transcode.

Should take less than an hour in total.

You really dont need to do anything else.

[macleod]

I've seen this player at various christian bookstores. Worth checking out as some folks suggested.

article regarding Clearplay dvd player that edits out content: http://www.christiantimes.com/Articles/Articles%20May04/Art_May04_02.html

website for clearplay: http://www.clearplay.com/

Another poster mentioned something that would also work, which would be using dvdshrink to to cut out materials that you dont want to see or hear. You could use reauthor mode, play the move and cut out parts that you dont want. Depending on the movie it may take awhile (say for instance The Godfather)

[rkr1958]

... an intellectually dishonest bomb thrower ...

Drex

Sorry for the brief hijack and If I'm mistaken ... Sorry ... But, alright ... A Fellow O'Reilly Factor viewer.