Originally Posted by ejai
You're not the only one that sees more flaws as time goes by, more everyday it seems like, it's definitely not the machine people here want to make it up to be. Those lines an the screen are VERY annoying, I think I'm watching cable instead of my 4DTV. The way the brightness and contrast go to hell when recording videotapes sucks too. The Panasonic basically recorded exactly what went into it, not true with the JVC. I too had problems in the first 2 weeks. I wish I had my E20 back more every day.
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The JVC recorder is out of specs straight from the factory.
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Great idea! That should work! Ask them to fix the recorder.
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Originally Posted by ejai
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All this cheap and expensive VCR stuff is crap, the only thing that changes is circuitry, the mechanical assembly is the same wheather you spend $60 or $300. So saying one is trouble free and another isn't is not true since 90% or more of VCR problems are mechanical.
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Originally Posted by samijubal
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You are the one saying don't expect good quality and trouble free from under $100. The mechanical assemblies are the same, so a $100 VCR is just as reliable as a $300 VCR. The more expensive VCR may be better as far as picture etc., but it is no more reliable. I've been working on VCRs for 15 years, I have plenty of experience with them.
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Originally Posted by samijubal
I owned several cheap VCRs as well as my favorite hi-end VCRs such as Panny AG-1980 and JVC HR-S5800. Currently I own Sony SLV-696HF and JVC HR-S9911U S-VHS. I never ever had a single problem with those old and currently own once. Great video quality and excellent engineering. Believe it or not, but all cheap VCRs I ever had a chance to deal with was absolute junk with poor circuitry design, bad recording and playback video quality and crappy mechanics. I would never buy VCR under $100 whatever brand or non-brand is. Just my opinion and my way to go. -
I've been using VCRs since the late 70s (since I was a kid). As time has gone by, cheaper VCRs have been junk compared to more expensive ones. They're more expensive for a reason.
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Yes on older VCRs if you spent more you got a better VCR, not anymore. Doesn't matter what you spend now you get the same crappy mechanical assembly, the only thing that's better is the power supply.
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I'm not a her, I'm a him .
If anything is faulty it has to be the M10 or the newer vcrs. As I said before I have no problem with banding when I use the Panasonic. It only shows it's ugly head when I use the M10.
Also the Zenith I own is cheap and is over 5 years old but shows no banding on either of the dvd recorders. the newer vcrs (not expensive ones) all show the banding problem on the M10 only. The Panasonic show a very faint banding on very bad tapes yet not hardly noticeable. The Panasonic seens to filter it out better than the M10.
Because I like the M10 I am accepting the idea that the vcrs are the problem. This is why I wanted to know a few brands that most people think work well with the M10. The Panasonic works well with all the vcrs I've tried. -
Originally Posted by ejai
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Power line noise sometimes can cause the rolling faint horizontal bands/lines, too. Some equipment is more sensitive to this type of noise than others.
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It's not the cables, and it's not faint color changes cause by interference. I have all types of cables even monster cables and nothing works, I think it is the M10.
Common sense tells me that if the vcrs work well with the Panasonic (using the same connections), but the problem only shows up when I am using the M10 then that has to be the problem.
I think it is the M10, but because one of my vcrs works fine on both tells me all I have to do is find a vcr that works well with the M10. The M10 is more picky and needs a cleaner signal because it cannot filter out the banding effect well. -
Banding is an interference issue. Period. Unfortunately for you, it's not making itself easy to find.
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If it doesn't do it on the Panasonic and it doesn't do it when not hooked through the JVC, I'd have to agree with you ejai, it's pretty obvious where the problem is.
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But she's said several times she can still see it on the Panasonic, though much fainter. That means it's still there, and is not machine related. That's interference. Most likely dirty power signals, magnetic noise, etc.
Hmmm.... where is the M10 in relation to everything else? I do know that my lower corner (I forget if it's left or right, front or back) emits some magnetic interference. This is why it's on a wooden desk.
Are these units in a metal cabinet, metal shelf units? That'll do it. Is the power filtered? Are you in a house, is this an isolated circuit? Is there a fan in the room, other devices on the circuit?
This is not an easy problem to solve. I'd dealt with it before, that's why I know what causes it. I've dealt with many errors in past years, which is why I've sunk money into the pit that is video production. Wires, power filters, adapters, amps, etc.Want my help? Ask here! (not via PM!)
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I have a small office in my house, and the M10 is on a metallic glass shelved stand. The television is about 2 ft away from the unit. I have a ceiling fan in the room. The M10 is elevated about 5 ft from the floor, almost level with the television.
My television has a 27" screen, it faces slightly slanted towards the M10.
This is the conditions in which the Panasonic recorder functions. I replace one with the other while I was trying these tests.
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That's interference. Most likely dirty power signals, magnetic noise, etc.
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When I get home I will do this, and I will post my findings.
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JVC models that are good are 9911 to 7600's. Sorry for being late getting back with you. Lordsmurf has a pretty cool web site and goes into very good details of JVC Models at ww.digitalfaq.com. Hopes that help.
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Originally Posted by MarvingjDo unto others....with a vengeance!
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When I get home I will do this, and I will post my findings.
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Originally Posted by zorankarapancev
What I've found is that the M10 amplifies the banding problem while the E50 filters it out much better. This is not a bad thing at all, because that tells me what my next move is, and that was to take the Sony back.
The reason I took the vcr back is because it does have a banding problem just like the other vcrs I tested. I was able to see the faint discoloration using closer observation. The M10 made the problem more visible.
I will buy a more better made vcr when I get the money, cheap doesn't work well with the M10.Do unto others....with a vengeance! -
Originally Posted by ejai
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If you are going to do alot of VHS transfers think about a super VHS, even if they are standard tapes. They aren't much more and then you get the s-video output.
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No problem Lordsmurf.
I am planning to do just that, I'm looking at S-VHS recorders right now.Do unto others....with a vengeance!
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