VCD and DVD

[CNT]

Still don't have a DVD burner, so you know (which is why I am here asking some questions)...

As I am looking over the chart, I see that VCD is 1150kbps while DVD is ~5000kbps. I am guessing that with CD-R @ 1150kbps means 80 minutes max and with DVD-R @ 5000kbps means 120 minutes max, correct?

If I bring down the kbps from 5000 to 1150 for DVD, will the output (viewing) be just like as if it was actually VCD (but only playable in DVD players)?

Please correct the following steps:

FOR VCD

1. Capture with Pinn (AVI)
2. Edit with VirtualDub (and resave as AVI)
3. TMPGEnc to create MPEG1
4. Nero to burn the VCD to a CD-R

FOR DVD

1. Capture with Pinn (AVI)
2. Edit with VirtualDub (and resave as AVI)
3. TMPGEnc to create MPEG2
4. TMPGEnc DVD Author to convert the MPEG2 to ??
5. Nero to burn the ?? to a DVD-R


Another question, there's only one TMPGEnc for both VCD (MPEG1) and DVD (MPEG2)?

Chuck

[redwudz]

Not really sure what you are asking, but TMPGEnc can output either MPEG2 or MPEG1. (Or other formats)

74 - 80 Minutes is good for VCD.

You can make a VCD/DVD as the VCD resolution is in the DVD specs.

The rest of your setup seems fine to me. You could also create SVCDs which generally take two CDs, but have better quality than VCD. Though not all players will accept them.

Save up for a DVD burner. They are much less than $100US and the media is inexpensive (At least 4X is less than $.50US per disc in quaint. Really a better value than CD for the amount of data you can put on the disc.

[CNT]

redwudz didn't understand my question(s)? Anybody else reply? I already made two VCD (from VHS) and looks great (for VHS->VCD). Now I like to squeeze some more into one disc. Can't do that with a VCD. I have two VCD that I like to put onto one DVD and then do the rest with DVD (from Hi8 tapes). My question is... instead of typing it over again, please read carefully in my original questions.

Chuck

BTW, I don't want SVCD or anything else. Just DVD.

[ZippyP.]

am guessing that with CD-R @ 1150kbps means 80 minutes max and with DVD-R @ 5000kbps means 120 minutes max, correct?

Yes, an 80 min CD will hold about 80 mins of VCD video. A 2 hour DVD will have a video bitrate of 4800 kbps and audio of 224 kbps. A bitrate calculator is used for just this purpose, to calculate the minutes and bitrate to fill a disk, look for one in the Tools section.

If I bring down the kbps from 5000 to 1150 for DVD, will the output (viewing) be just like as if it was actually VCD (but only playable in DVD players)?

You can drop the bitrate but you better drop the resolution as well or it will be unwatchable. DVD has 3 basic resolutions...1/4 (352x240), 1/2 (352x480) and full DVD (720x480). They require (roughly) 1200, 2400 and 4800 kbps respectably to look their best.

DVD Author[/url] to convert the MPEG2 to ??

TDA to make menus, to create ifo, bup and VOB's and to burn to disk.

Hope that helps.

[CNT]

This answers my questions, thanks.

Chuck

[paulw]

One other thought. If you want to put VCD fles on to a DVD media you can in TMPGE set the autio to 48000 when you create the files which is the DVD standard and put 8 to 10 TV Program size files on to a DVD with menus..

[CNT]

Interesting. I am no way near expertise with computer videos. Since I kept the orginal AVI (captured in DV format from VHS), I will just redo the whole thing again to get the best picture "from the start". After that, I will just give the two VCD to my mother-in-law. I wasn't really looking for DVD quality (since it's from analog in first place), but want to put more onto one disc. This is the whole reason why I am doing this, because it went from about 7 VHS tapes to 2 VCD, that is a lot space saving. Now, maybe I am being greedy for wanting to go into DVD just to have fewer disc on the shelf. But, considering so far I have captured another 7 hours plus there's another 4-5 more hours footage (already way over 11 hours and there will be more on the way!!), I think doing DVD is a wise move. All those recordings are family activities (birthdays, vacations, etc), so some parts are just long. Better leave it "as is" than cut out so much of it.

So, in close, I just want to pack as much video into the DVD while keeping the best quality from VHS, not digital. Now, I am using Hi8 (still analog). When (or if) I get a digital camcorder, then I will keep the highest settings. This is why I am asking the very first question in my first post, how low bitrate can I go in that won't degrade the VHS quality, when doing DVD. I know I need to do experiment, but would of course appreciate if you experienced guys could give me a number or starting point for me to start off the bat.

Right now, everything is basically on hold (again and again). I am back in school (Calculus, etc) and I need to buy one 250G HDD to store the videos!

Chuck

[ZippyP.]

So, in close, I just want to pack as much video into the DVD while keeping the best quality from VHS,

1/2 DVD is the best match for VHS footage, use a CBR bitrate of 3100 kbps to get about 3 hours on a disk. If you use noise filtering and 2-pass VBR you can drop the average bitrate to 2300 or so, that way you get 4 hours on a disk.

[CNT]

So, in close, I just want to pack as much video into the DVD while keeping the best quality from VHS,

1/2 DVD is the best match for VHS footage, use a CBR bitrate of 3100 kbps to get about 3 hours on a disk. If you use noise filtering and 2-pass VBR you can drop the average bitrate to 2300 or so, that way you get 4 hours on a disk.

Thanks!

Chuck

[johns0]

You can save some time and picture quality by not resaving your avi and just edit the avi and then frameserve with virtualdub to tmpgenc.