Authoring DVD from VCD mpg1 files WITHOUT converting audio??

[nerys]

Is this possible yet ? ANY software that will let me do this ?

THis is what I want. I want to put mpeg1 vcd compliant files onto DVD as "dvd" ie so they play in a normal dvd player but WITHOUT converting the audio from 44 to 48 khz (YES I know thats out of spec)

is there ANY software available yet that will let me do this ?

I do not need menu;s and stuff like that (although it would be VERY nice) I just want a DVD with mpeg1 WITHOUT converting the audio (it takes an eternity to do !!)

Any help is greatly appreciated

for the last few years I have been simply dumping the mpg's onto dvd-r but more and more dvd players are not able to read these and or friends do not have players that can read these Grrrr :-(

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

[jimmalenko]

THis is what I want. I want to put mpeg1 vcd compliant files onto DVD as "dvd" ie so they play in a normal dvd player but WITHOUT converting the audio from 44 to 48 khz (YES I know thats out of spec)

AFAIK most authoring programs check for this so I think you might be out of luck. One option might be to use TMPGEnc DVD Author, which will upsample while it is authoring. You can go with or without menus and chapters depending on what suits you.

If the time factor is the only reason you wish to deliberately produce out-of-spec DVDs, I think you should rethink your strategy. You'll know what I mean when your DVDs won't play on your friend's DVD Players either

[nerys]

well ALL dvd's can play mpg1 (have yet to find one that can not) this means they can all handle 44khz which means its VERY likely they will play this out of spec critter just fine.

I have made dvd's play some really funky audio and most handle it just fine (my camcorder records in mpeg1 but the audio is 32khz mono instead of of vcd compliant 22khz stereo) when I make a VCD nero warns me this is not right but lets me "override" it and "do it anyway" out of spec and EVERY single dvd player that plays VCD plays this video just fine.

I have well over a terabyte of mpeg1 the idea of converting ALL of that to mpeg1 with 48khz is NOT enticing. it would take THOUSANDS of hours at the minimum. and then I would have to have twice the storage space since although I am confident that a dvd player will play a 44khz audio stream NO vcd player that I have will play a 48khz stream. meaning I would HAVE to store dual copies of all my stuff. no thanks. plus the process of doing it is not friendly.

this is not even including my hundreds of gigs of homve video that would also have to be converted !!!

I just want a dvd authoring program that will do what nero does for vcd. warn me its out of spec and just freaking let me do it anyway without converting it !! its EASY if a programmer would just let it happen.

dvdlab does this but sadly no mpeg1 support (44 or 48khz) yet :-(

many PVR's create slightly out of spec mpeg2 but as he found out most dvd players do not care and play it anyway just fine IF you can put it in the proper "shell" (vobs etc..)

I just want this for mpeg1 :-(

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

[nerys]

plus whenever I go over a friends house I always bring my own dvd player anyway since all my discs now are just data discs with the mpeg's on it. :-) many dvd players won't play those either :-)

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

[jimmalenko]

well ALL dvd's can play mpg1 (have yet to find one that can not) this means they can all handle 44khz which means its VERY likely they will play this out of spec critter just fine.

All DVDs can play MPG1 because it is part of the DVD spec. MPG1 doesn't imply that it is 44Khz though.

Give TMPGEnc DVD Author a go. It has warnings, which you can ignore, or it has critical errors which must be rectified. I would be interested to see what it would class this as.

[nerys]

I tried it once before and it would not do it but that was early on so I will give it another go.

also I will rephrase. ALL dvd players I have evern touched can play VCD mpg1 (that means 44khz audio)

meaning if you make a DVD spec disc with out of spec audio at 44khz at least HARDWARE wise it will play just fine so long as the dvd player does not become a stickler on formatting internally (and most are not) if it "looks" like a dvd they tend to treat it like a dvd and will TRY worst case being it simply fails to play the sound and or crashes. but I am betting it will play it just fine.

wish I could TEST this theory :-)

the other nice thing about mpeg1 is 7.5 hours per disc !! (15 once dual layer get more common !!)

I record a lot of stuff off tv (thankfully still legal !) and being able to put 10 episods on once disc is nice :-)

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

[jimmalenko]

also I will rephrase. ALL dvd players I have evern touched can play VCD mpg1 (that means 44khz audio)

Cool I didn't mean to be pedantic

Good luck !

[Baldrick]

dvdauthor, dvdauthorgui, gui for dvd author

[nerys]

what is this dvd author ? is this what you are talking about ?

http://dvdauthor.sourceforge.net/

will it let me makeout of spec dvd's ?

also in case the warners are lurking oddly enough I do not want to make dvd's out of my rips. I OWN the originals so I can do that easily enough.

my home movies however are all in mpeg1 (actually even the video is a hair out of spec 1500kbps instead of proper 1150kbps although it does not always look it :-)

I just got back from cancun with our family (10 of us) and have a lot of video and it would be nice to have it as a nice polished dvd with spiffy menus etc.. without have to CONVERT already marginal video and add even more artifact crap.

if someone wants to take a peek at the video the camera capture I can post some of the rocket launches I captured with it. to see divx versions of it goto www.naramlive.com

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

[yoda313]

Hello,

There's Tmpgenc dvd author, that's one I know of.

Kevin

[tlegion]

DVD players recognize two different types of videos (3, mpeg iso if you're lucky) VCD and DVD. If you insert a VCD-authored disk, the machine will apply VCD standards ie mpeg1, 352x240 (ntsc), 44.1K +/-, 1150k+. There is leeway on the audio bitrate, audio sample rate and video bitrate.

If you insert a DVD-authored disk, the machine will apply DVD standards:
-mpeg1 or mpeg2
-352x240(ntsc) or 720x480
-multiple video bitrates
-48K audio

From what I understand (which may be incorrect) the 48k sample rate is fixed.

To accomodate this so I can place the files on VCD or DVD disks, I set my VCD encoding to 48k audio which still works on VCD's as well as DVD's.

[nerys]

hmm that is odd. I HAVE tried this and not one of my vcd players will play a VCD with 48khz stream.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

[mats.hogberg]

without have to CONVERT already marginal video and add even more artifact crap.

The video is left untouched its the audio that has to be resampled. TMPGEnc DVD author converts the audio transpantly, so there's no extra step to be taken when authoring a VCD spec mpeg to DVD. I'd go for that route, if I was you...

/Mats

[andkiich]

DVD-Lab pro will do this. When it asks to transcode the audio, don't.
You might also need to change the compile settings to relaxed.