No 'Star Wars' Orginal on DVD. Ever ?

[CaseyComb]

Brent212...Im not worried about it, but nice try though. Maybe you can sit at home for another few hours and think really hard to come up with another attempted insult.

Maek...same goes for you you nitwit. SLO-MO is an abbreviation.

My point being (since my explanation was too complicated for you last time) was that the scene in question was weak the first time around.

Really, if your only knowledge of creating tension in a film comes from some half-assed book you read at one point or some conversation you overheard in Blockbuster, then you really dont know jack sh!T.

The whole "something is always more frightening if you don't see it" school of thought is really tired cr@p.

So by that rationale at the end of Taxi Driver if Travis Bickle disappeared into the flop house and we only heard gunshots that would have been more effective?

Eh...I don't think so. Don't argue film with me boy, you're out of your league.

Enjoy the Cheetos!

[CaseyComb]

Alan wrote:

There is an audio flaw from an article in the link in the other thread. Goes from muffled to clear and back a few times in a scene or two.

Wasn't that a flaw with the dated source material for A New Hope and that there wasn't much that could be done about it?

[RowMan]

(Someone messed with my original post! -RM)

Steven Spielberg, James Cameron, and Ridley Scott have allowed both the original and special edition versions of their films to be released on DVD. Why couldn't Lucas?

Because in his mind, the originals were incomplete. Why should he release something he perceived to be incomplete?

Then why release the films in the first place in '77, '80, and '83 if he thought they were so bad?! He is ignoring a huge fan base as well as a large finacial opportunity by not releasing the originals on DVD. I mean, these films built his "empire" from the money of those who saw the original films in the theater and those who bought them in their subsequent video releases and merchandising. Sure, HE thinks they're incomplete, but the people who first saw them and fell in love with them think they are classics. They should at least be preserved in a fully digital home video format so that we don't have to rely on our aging, wrinkled, tapes and rotting laserdiscs. Seeing as they would be digital, it could really be a FINAL release of these versions as they won't be deteriorating anymore due to the format.

Again, Lucas is allowed to do what he wants with his films, but to not release the originals (even for a limited time) on DVD... to not release the versions that made him what he is today... is a shame and an insult to those who supported these films from the beginning.

[Martyn1980]

Rowman thats one of the best post so far in this topic, im from the Pro SE as i believe it might have looked ok in 77, but it looks dated now, so i can see where GL is coming from.

But your right that hes making a big Mistake financially, (not that he'll really notice) but theres people who wont buy the SE, but would the original and theres the Die hards who will buy both.

Personally i dont see what the fuss is all about and if they did release the originals a lot of peopl would see it as a extra cash scam anyway.

Are the SE's really that different that its not the same films.
Its not like hes totally changed the story, put in Jar Jar and made it a musical has he.
Usually i look forward to Speical Edition/Directors Cut versions of films as they offer something new to the film, or im bored with the original, which i am with the original trilogy.
Why would you want to watch the exact same film youve seem a dozen times?

[stuart49]

Who cares Star Wars is for kids and is a pile of junk anyway.......

[Martyn1980]

Who cares Star Wars is for kids and is a pile of junk anyway.......

its kinda true, and its funny cause theres a bunch of us arguing over which version of the films are better, when though they're fun, they are really a load of nonsense.

[proxyx99]

Never been a fan of Star Wars and seeing it once years ago was definitely enough for me. Never watched it again since then. But I do recognize Lucas contribution in the field of special FX.

Obviously what he has on his mind is a reissue rather then a reprint. I'd rather go back to the original then a revamped version of it. Even though it was indicated that such projects are always "work in progress" there has to be an end and a limit to it. In this case I would suggest he rewrites the whole script... that would mean more to me then just a bunch of digital touchups (like Spielberg replacing guns with walkie-talkies in "ET"). How dumb was that?

Seems that Lucas focus is more on a "looks" rather then what is really important (like storyline). His filmmaking achievement was creating a franchise from Star Wars and cashing every possible way on it including repeated exhumation of a long dead project.
I went to see Phantom Menace at the movies, and I had hard time keeping myself awake. His movies belong in kindergarten anyway and this kind of viewer is not going to even notice any subtle changes, so what's this fuss all about? It seems to have a lot to do with Lucas's desire to become a "classic", "must see and own" author and creator and speaks volumes about his overblown ego. To me he is neither and I'll gladly pass his next resuscitation attempt.

[yoda313]

Hello,

Yoda is going to be pissed if the release date is pushed back from the 21st

What!?!?!?!!??

You've got to be joking! There's no way they'd push back the release date. People have already had them shipped from online stores. I'll MARCH! It's 9/21/04 or nothing! I want my DVD's!!!!!

Kevin

[bazooka]

Steven Spielberg, James Cameron, and Ridley Scott have allowed both the original and special edition versions of their films to be released on DVD. Why couldn't Lucas?

Because in his mind, the originals were incomplete. Why should he release something he perceived to be incomplete?

Then why release the films in the first place in '77, '80, and '83 if he thought they were so bad?! He is ignoring a huge fan base as well as a large finacial opportunity by not releasing the originals on DVD. I mean, these films built his "empire" from the money of those who saw the original films in the theater and those who bought them in their subsequent video releases and merchandising. Sure, HE thinks they're incomplete, but the people who first saw them and fell in love with them think they are classics. They should at least be preserved in a fully digital home video format so that we don't have to rely on our aging, wrinkled, tapes and rotting laserdiscs. Seeing as they would be digital, it could really be a FINAL release of these versions as they won't be deteriorating anymore due to the format.

Again, Lucas is allowed to do what he wants with his films, but to not release the originals (even for a limited time) on DVD... to not release the versions that made him what he is today... is a shame and an insult to those who supported these films from the beginning.

At the time of release he had no problem with them.

Haven't you ever did something and said later you wish you had done it differently?

I rest my case.

[maek]

My point being (since my explanation was too complicated for you last time) was that the scene in question was weak the first time around.

No, I understood your point. It was just so obviously irrelevant. That means "it has nothing to do with my point" and is therefore not a refutal, but a childish way of arguing. It's akin to:

"The sky is blue!"
"(scoffs) Yeah, but the clouds are white!"

Thanks for the non-sequitur, though. I respectfully agree to disagree.

[indolikaa]

"My dick is bigger than your dick!"
"No, MY dick is bigger than YOUR dick!"
"You're both wrong! MY dick is bigger than BOTH of yours!"
"Is not!"
"Is too!"
"Well, you're just a big, stinky doody-face!"
"Well, so are you!"
"Am not!"
"Are too!"
"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

DISCLAIMER: Any resemblance to anyone in this thread (living, dead, or otherwise) is purely intentional.

And on that note, I'd like to continue this thread down the road to oblivion with the following thoughts...

DVD+R sucks dog balls. And anyone who uses +R media is a dumb bastard who can't count their own genetalia twice and get the same answer.

DVD-R forever!


The following moment of cynical discontent has been brought to you by Indolikaa Khan. Please take a moment to step away from the computer, take a deep breath, and remember that there are far more important things in this world to argue about. Like post counts, for one...

[bazooka]

"My dick is bigger than your dick!"
"No, MY dick is bigger than YOUR dick!"
"You're both wrong! MY dick is bigger than BOTH of yours!"
"Is not!"
"Is too!"
"Well, you're just a big, stinky doody-face!"
"Well, so are you!"
"Am not!"
"Are too!"
"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

DISCLAIMER: Any resemblance to anyone in this thread (living, dead, or otherwise) is purely intentional.

And on that note, I'd like to continue this thread down the road to oblivion with the following thoughts...

DVD+R sucks dog balls. And anyone who uses +R media is a dumb bastard who can't count their own genetalia twice and get the same answer.

DVD-R forever!


The following moment of cynical discontent has been brought to you by Indolikaa Khan. Please take a moment to step away from the computer, take a deep breath, and remember that there are far more important things in this world to argue about. Like post counts, for one...

Oh Yeah!!!!!! YOU ARE NOT A JEDI YET.

[yoda313]

Hello,

<In best yoda voice>

Begun, the clone war has!

Kevin

[RowMan]

At the time of release he had no problem with them.

Haven't you ever did something and said later you wish you had done it differently?

I rest my case.

Absolutely, I have. But if my original work was loved by millions of people and had spawned a cultural phenomenon, I would not turn my back on the people who had supported that original work even if I decided to change it later for whatever reason.

[sogarapleteame]

First of all, I love Star Wars world. I like whatever Lucas does with the saga. I Love Espisode I & II. And now, let me tel you I agree with each one of you!!!! I Love the original and I want them on DVD, I love Specials Editions and I want them and i¡l buy them.

If Lucas wants to release the originals, I'll be very happy about that but now we'll have the oportunity to watch thos movies in the way Lucas IS thinking on them...

Last year The Beatles released "Let It Be naked" but you can find the original version. It happened with Yellow Submarine.

Give Lucas time to think about the "old" fans. Now there are "new" fans wanting for the old movies in a new fashion way.

[bazooka]

At the time of release he had no problem with them.

Haven't you ever did something and said later you wish you had done it differently?

I rest my case.

Absolutely, I have. But if my original work was loved by millions of people and had spawned a cultural phenomenon, I would not turn my back on the people who had supported that original work even if I decided to change it later for whatever reason.

For crying out loud man,

You are not 6 years old anymore. And moaning about the originals is not going to make him release something that he was not happy with.

I agree with Indo. There are more important things in life. Get a grip!

[bazooka]

In other news today, the earth is round.

Imagine that.

[dphirschler]

Actually it is slightly oval.


Darryl

[RowMan]

For crying out loud man,

You are not 6 years old anymore. And moaning about the originals is not going to make him release something that he was not happy with.

I agree with Indo. There are more important things in life. Get a grip!

I believe I was answering your direct question. I'm not here "moaning" to Lucas. He has already stated that he really doesn't care. I am reponding with my thoughts to this thread and questions or comments about my posts.

If you don't like the subject or the posts, you don't have to read the thread or respond to it. I skip over threads that are unimportant to me all of the time. Take your own advice and stop trolling the thread just to hassle people.

[Brent212]

oh, snap.

[dphirschler]

I read that one of the changes in the new SE is that he changes the stormtroopers' voices to the same voice (apparently since they are all clones). I wonder if he changed the screams when they got shot, particularly the Wilhelm scream.


Darryl

[CaseyComb]

maek so eloquently scribed:

No, I understood your point. It was just so obviously irrelevant. That means "it has nothing to do with my point" and is therefore not a refutal, but a childish way of arguing

Yes Irrelevant, kind of like your opinion. But you have no problem stating it (poorly I might add). You would think, for a word nazi such as yourself, you'd be able to form a coherent sentence or opinion. So that at least us childish simpletons can understand.

On second thought maybe I have misjudged you. You obviously sound like a filmaker yourself. Where might I be able to see your work? After all I'd love to see the work of a man that can call Lucas an inept filmaker.

Anyway, it's been fun. Enjoys those Cheetos Kubrick.

[GizmoTheGremlin]

You guys seem to be begging to have this thread locked. Try to keep the personal insults to yourself.

[kirpen]

I keep reading that complain about the star wars DVDs is pointless. I think the more people complain the better the odds are that the fans will get what they want. It may not happen anytime soon but if Lucas and co see the market is there they just might do it. Lucas says lots of things but people change their minds. I remember when Star Wars wasn't going to come to DVD at all.

[shardison]

hmmm.

What stops a talented person with a $$$ to take the latest "director's cut" versions and edit them back to "original cut"? The original sound tracks are available and most of the changes are short scenes anyway. Heck, you could remove an extra added alien or two if you like. A little digital enhancement and wham, the original movie in (mostly) DVD quality. Now get to work.

[vhelp]

TGIF everyone.

As to the issue w/ the "recall" (or whatever) .. this is was I was told at the
store. "..they're all being recalled from all our stores"

That's it.

But, I do feel this is strange, because I have not seen or heard or read any
word on any flaw. I don't even know what the flaw is !! ..but just that
there is a flaw, and all DVDs (at least in K-Mart) have a recall on them.

So, whatever the flaw is, I don't know what it is

Maybe they're all FULL SCREEN
..or, maybe they're all VCD's (hehe)

Cheers,
-vhelp

[pchan]

Absolutely, I have. But if my original work was loved by millions of people and had spawned a cultural phenomenon, I would not turn my back on the people who had supported that original work even if I decided to change it later for whatever reason.

SPOT ON !

[saktoons]

NPR had a story last week about the original Episode 4 and why it is not on DVD (aside from Lucas's artistic reasons).

Apparently the original master for Episode 4 is so bady damaged and dirty that it would cost too much to restore it using film preservation and digital enhancement techniques. Rather than spend all the money, it made more sense to use the master from the Episode 4 Special Edition because it used a restored and digitally enhanced master from the original, already.

So it was both an artistic and monetary decision. When the choice comes down to money or art, money almost always wins.

[adam]

vhelp they were either pulling your leg or are just having stocking/administration problems isolated to K-Mart. There is no way this DVD could have been recalled without the news about it getting out. Its being promoted like crazy right now.

I thought Kmart was bankrupt and officially dissolving? I know they tried to reorganize but I thought it didn't work. I thought all Kmarts everywhere were being shut down.

[RowMan]

NPR had a story last week about the original Episode 4 and why it is not on DVD (aside from Lucas's artistic reasons).

Apparently the original master for Episode 4 is so bady damaged and dirty that it would cost too much to restore it using film preservation and digital enhancement techniques. Rather than spend all the money, it made more sense to use the master from the Episode 4 Special Edition because it used a restored and digitally enhanced master from the original, already.

So it was both an artistic and monetary decision. When the choice comes down to money or art, money almost always wins.

In the 1997 "Making of The Special Editions" supplement on laserdisc, Rick McCallum said that the originals had to be completely restored first in order to make the Special Editions. The work has already been done! Did something happen to those restorations?