Can any of the current apple notebooks run OS9?

[Faustus]

Figured not but I was just wondering.

if not does anyone know what the last model powerbook to support OS9 was?

[xxgriff]

I dont understand what you mean by "support"

the basic requirements for OS9 are PowerPC/40m-RAM and 32m of hard drive space.

of course this is just to "run" OS9, and does not mean run well. You could install OS9 on a G3 or G4 PowerBook, but would be limited by the OS (9) in many aspects. some still prefer OS9 over OS X, and i can understand that as well.

[Faustus]

Uhm... obviously you do not keep up. for example. OS9 support is REMOVED from many mac computers. My new Powermac G5 can't boot it, and I dont think any of the new macs can. Thats why I was asking.

[xxgriff]

uhm...

the official Apple corp answer:
Centris, Quadra, and other '040-based models, Mac OS 8.1
Power Mac x100, pre-G3 PowerPC-based PowerBooks, PowerBook G3 (Kanga), Mac OS 9.1
PCI Power Macs with G3 or G4 upgrades, Mac OS 9.2.2, not officially supported by Apple
All other G3 and G4 models, current version of Mac OS X

but if you update the firmware, it is possible to run OS 9 on your G5
http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=07617

so, yes i do keep up, but thanks for reminding me to

It has been a while since i was asked to update the firmware, and then i ran into problems with RAM not being recognized. this led me to dig around more, and it payed of later when a friend wanted OS 9 on his G4. it was not important why he did, he just did, and now he does.

kind of like buying a new car, and then you find out you can only drive on certain roads using a specific brand of gas, but where there is a will, there is usually a way.

[Faustus]

uhm... yeah thats not an apple firmware update. No thanks. So my question is unanswered.

What is the last version of the powerbook to OFFICALLY boot macos9.

(Moved to mac section in hopes of getting an answer.)

[qshartle]

it wont f up your mac if thats what your thinking. It will make it run OS9, isnt that what you want? Thats why this post was created. For YOUR problem, and there is an ANSWER to your problem. You need to broaden your horizon to unleash the power of your mac, and not be THE MAN'S bitch!



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[TugBoat]

What is the last version of the powerbook to OFFICIALLY boot macos9.

I don't know. Maybe I need more coffee. Such a simple question goes unanswered. Suggestions are made to try and install unofficial, warranty voiding, G5 PowerMac ONLY firmware in a G4 PowerBook. Firmware from a company whose link no longer works, and then Google draws a blank. More coffee....

As far as I know, the last G4 PowerBook that will boot OS9 is the 1 GHz 15" TiBook. One rule of thumb is FW800 and AirPort Extreme. If the machine has either, it will not natively boot OS9. The only exception is a certain eMac model that has APE and still boots OS9. In that case, Apple clearly states that APE will not work in 9 as, along with FW800, OS9 drivers do not exist.

Good day 8)

[ps2daddy]

I hate when I say the same thing twice anc mess up a thread sorry
Delete post please

[ps2daddy]

Yep Tugboat is definite on the ball

The 17 inch TI appears to be the first one that wont run it natively

Found this on apple discussions

PowerBook G4 (17-inch)
This product was introduced on 2003-01-07.

If you require OS 9, January 2003 Apple stopped shipping computers that could run OS 9 (not just "Classic", which is an EMULATION program of OS 9).

[TugBoat]

Yep Tugboat is definite on the ball

Not quite. It shouldn't have taken that long. I finally got my fill of coffee and went back to that OS9 on a G5 thing.....

and then I noticed a disclaimer....

What?! Something about this article seems odd? Maybe you should read it again carefully, or double-check the date it was published...

Date Published.... April 1st.
That article is nothing more than an April Fools gag!

[xxgriff]

I beleive the data was included:
Power Mac x100, pre-G3 PowerPC-based PowerBooks, PowerBook G3 (Kanga) - Mac OS 9.1

while there are others, the support is not "official", and likely that Apple wanted those to be upgraded to officially supported OS revisions, choosing to ship, and make upgrades available when it went gold.

the article was only that, an article describing that firmware is the limiting factor, and that is can be manipulated to allow the use of OS9. whether the links are good or not, was not my concern, as there are many firmware sites with utilities, and firmware to change, enable or fix a large number of issues people have with their Macs. i occasionally read over some here:

http://www.macupdate.com/utilities.php?sub=14&order=name

warranty for G3, and a large portion of G4's out in the world are out of warranty with Apple, so if you dont want to void your new G5 warranty stick with your OX X, and buy the apps that may no loner run under the new OS.

the Powerbook G3 (Kanga) i beleive is the last to allow boot/install OS9 officially, and without firmware update.

think different

[davefx]

OMG ya gotta read some of the other articles at that april 1st gag.

like "bleeping garageband" lol

and "iChat AV 2.2 Public Beta Adds MSN Support"

i'm dying here rotf

[TugBoat]

Now I think I've had too much coffee.
Frank? Is that you Frank? Frank....you been eating the yellow snow again?
You've been Had;
http://www.macdailynews.com/comments.php?id=P2427_0_1_0
Google is your friend. Personally, I suspected a PC conspiracy. Think about it, a thread involving two Texan buds, obviously originating in the PC section, thrown in here to mess with our heads early in the morn....

BTW, a simple firmware hack would allow OS9 booting on G4s (as long as you also had the correct ROM file), HOWEVER, OS9.x simply doesn't have the necessary code to run on a G5. The OS must have code in the OS to support the processor installed. In the old days Apple supplied enablers to allow the OS to work with the new machines. For the last umpteen years, the new computers always required the latest OS release to work with the new hardware. The IBM PPC G5 wasn't even dreamed of when OS9 development was halted. And you can bet the farm that Apple isn't going to develop an enabler for OS9 on a G5 :P

...and don't even think about the Dental Floss....
damn, where'd I put those Zappa albums.

[ps2daddy]

the Powerbook G3 (Kanga) i beleive is the last to allow boot/install OS9 officially, and without firmware update.

think different

Apple officially stopped native os9 booting support in January 2003 so any computer made after that date wont do it.

The first powerbook of the year was the 17 TI powerbook that was released on January 6, 2003. So the 15" Ti was probably the last offical powerbook release that allowed native Os 9 booting

AFAIK

[thoughton]

I beleive the data was included:
Power Mac x100, pre-G3 PowerPC-based PowerBooks, PowerBook G3 (Kanga) - Mac OS 9.1

the Powerbook G3 (Kanga) i beleive is the last to allow boot/install OS9 officially, and without firmware update.

think different

XXgriff, you just gotta learn to admit defeat

My 15" PB G4 (667Mhz DVI model), bought in September 2002 around a year after the first G4 PBs were released, can boot OS9 without any firmware patches.

[Faustus]

Thanks for the info guys.

Just to clear things up a bit I'm gonna explain WHY I asked.

I do mac tech support and the macs we have are VERY VERY old, the 2 most badass macs we have are original eMacs and they stand alone atop a moutian of speed compaired to the rest of our systems. AFter the emac I'm the fastest with a 450mhz G4 that I put my own Video card (to enable quartz extreme) and ram into..

Anyway the long and the short is I've heard a rumor that they may allow some of us Mac techs to bring in mac laptops since the equipment is so old. But in order to be helpful for my job it helps alot if it can boot OS9.

THATS why I was asking. If sometime early next year I goto buy a Powerbook I wanted to know what the best one I could get and have OS9 work was.

Anyway I think I got an idea of what I"m looking for now. And a 1ghz 15" Powerbook sound real nice.... now for the whole "money" part....

Also a PSA for the mac group, the Computers section is for your also, not just PC nuts.

[deadsierra]

Downloading a program called "MacTracker" might help. It tells you which systems shipped with OS 9 as a default install.

[ps2daddy]

Downloading a program called "MacTracker" might help. It tells you which systems shipped with OS 9 as a default install.

check ther production date on those mac the 867mhz might be the last one I think the 1ghz were made after Jan 2003

*update you are probably fine Nov 2002 were the production date
if you can ask the person if they can tell you the specific manufacture date to be completely safe though

[galactica]

1 ghz model powerbooks DO run os9, i know because i have that model.

friend has the newest 1.5, will ask if his does or does not

[ps2daddy]

Yep the 1ghz start production date was in November 2002
If you have a powerbook 1ghz that was produced after January 2003 (I dont know what the last run dte for the 1ghz powerbook was) there might be a chance that it might not boot OS 9 natively but if it doesnt happen to boot you can probably downgrade the firmware it will work if you can find it

I can also tell you the 15" 1.3 Ghz Al powerbook that I have wont do it

[galactica]

yea i just found out that my friends 15" 1.3 does not.

OS 9 is antiquated though, its good that its gone, free's up 200ish megs for more stuff

[TugBoat]

Gezzzz people, you gonna drag this out forever?
With PowerBooks it's very simple....
If it's Aluminum, it won't boot 9. If it's Titanium, it will :P

[deadsierra]

Gezzzz people, you gonna drag this out forever?
With PowerBooks it's very simple....
If it's Aluminum, it won't boot 9. If it's Titanium, it will :P

Thank you for taking the fun out of our lives.

[Faustus]

yea i just found out that my friends 15" 1.3 does not.

OS 9 is antiquated though, its good that its gone, free's up 200ish megs for more stuff

I tend to agree, but since this machine would replace the one that sits on my desk it kinda needs to boot OS9. I mean I have about 98% of the OS memorized at this point but every once in a while I get a call that requies me to go back and run an app to check out its preferences or something.

[deadsierra]

yea i just found out that my friends 15" 1.3 does not.

OS 9 is antiquated though, its good that its gone, free's up 200ish megs for more stuff

I tend to agree, but since this machine would replace the one that sits on my desk it kinda needs to boot OS9. I mean I have about 98% of the OS memorized at this point but every once in a while I get a call that requies me to go back and run an app to check out its preferences or something.

Why isn't classic acceptable for that?

[decay]

http://lowendmac.com/pb2/g4-1ghz.html

yes, it's the 1.0 GHz Titanium powerbook.

[Russ Black]

From the Apple's website:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86209

Tells which of their computers will only boot into OSX.

Some Macintosh computers start up only in Mac OS X. These computers can run Classic, but they do not start up in Mac OS 9.

In September 2002, Apple announced that starting in January 2003, new Macintosh computers would only start up into Mac OS X, while retaining the ability to use most Mac OS 9 applications in Mac OS X's "Classic" environment.

These Macintosh computers only start up in Mac OS X:

PowerBook G4 (12-inch) and later models of 12-inch PowerBook G4
PowerBook G4 (15-inch FW 800) and later models of 15-inch PowerBook G4
PowerBook G4 (17-inch) and later models of 17-inch PowerBook G4

Power Mac G4 (FW 800)
Power Mac G5

iBook G4 and iBook G4 (14-inch) and later models of iBook

iMac (Flat Panel) with serial numbers of xx303xxxxxx or later
iMac (17-inch 1 GHz) and later models of iMac
eMac (ATI Graphics) most models (see Note)
eMac (USB 2.0)

Note: eMac (ATI Graphics) models with CD-ROM or Combo drives can boot into Mac OS 9.