Star Trek dying??????

[gitreel]

Go back to sleep doc.

It is too early for you.

I will feed einstein.

[northcat_8]

Hello,

First of all its TREKKERS. Second of all, what about sports nuts??? You know the ones that wear face paint and dress up like idiots at football (American football) games??? There are people that do weird stuff all over the place. How about the car nuts??? The ones that clean their cars ten times a week??? It's just more acceptable than being a sci fi nut.

--Ok I'll drop it now, I think I made my point--

Kevin

1 - I don't care how it's spelled, trekkies...trekkers whatever, thanks for proving my point.

2 - defending mal-adjusted behavior by associating it with other mal-adjusted behavior is not viable defense. They do it too so it must be alright. I think most of us passed this after 3rd grade...but apparently not trekkers.

3 - football fans that go above and beyond is different than being a sci-fi wackjob. Football fans are cheering and rooting for real people in a real contest. If trekkers would like to attend a taping of the show and come dressed in all their gear and cheer captain kirk on then great, I see nothing wrong with that. But those football fans don't walk the streets with their faces painted or wear their shoulder pads with the spikes on them to work. I do agree that some of those dudes are out there, but still, the things they are representing are REAL....as shocking as it may seem....Star Trek and Star Wars are not REAL.....they are make believe. The Oakland Raiders are real, the Pittsburgh Steelers are real, the 57' Corvette is real, the 69' Z-28 is real.


You made no point yoda other than to exemplify the example already presented. We get you, we know what you are all about, I spared you the quotes of how many times you mention SW or ST...save yourself future frustration...you are the only one here that is into either of those 2 things as deeply as you apparently are. If you are fishing for friends then you aren't going to find too many here who are THAT into SW or ST.

[yoda313]

Hello,

Northcat - fine, I'm unique then. So what if I'm the only one here that into scifi? I'm ok with it. And I do know what obsession is and I don't think I'm too far out there - your view is obviously different.

Kevin

[gitreel]

It is not called trekkers



Here is the website.

http://www.trekdoc.com/

A simple google search was all that was needed.

[Tommyknocker]

Hello,

First of all its TREKKERS. Second of all, what about sports nuts??? You know the ones that wear face paint and dress up like idiots at football (American football) games??? There are people that do weird stuff all over the place. How about the car nuts??? The ones that clean their cars ten times a week??? It's just more acceptable than being a sci fi nut.

--Ok I'll drop it now, I think I made my point--

Kevin

1 - I don't care how it's spelled, trekkies...trekkers whatever, thanks for proving my point.

2 - defending mal-adjusted behavior by associating it with other mal-adjusted behavior is not viable defense. They do it too so it must be alright. I think most of us passed this after 3rd grade...but apparently not trekkers.

3 - football fans that go above and beyond is different than being a sci-fi wackjob. Football fans are cheering and rooting for real people in a real contest. If trekkers would like to attend a taping of the show and come dressed in all their gear and cheer captain kirk on then great, I see nothing wrong with that. But those football fans don't walk the streets with their faces painted or wear their shoulder pads with the spikes on them to work. I do agree that some of those dudes are out there, but still, the things they are representing are REAL....as shocking as it may seem....Star Trek and Star Wars are not REAL.....they are make believe. The Oakland Raiders are real, the Pittsburgh Steelers are real, the 57' Corvette is real, the 69' Z-28 is real.


You made no point yoda other than to exemplify the example already presented. We get you, we know what you are all about, I spared you the quotes of how many times you mention SW or ST...save yourself future frustration...you are the only one here that is into either of those 2 things as deeply as you apparently are. If you are fishing for friends then you aren't going to find too many here who are THAT into SW or ST.

Afraid you lose that argument in my opinion. They are both entertainment, plain and simple. I have seen people come to work wearing their favorite team's logo. I never heard of trekkers fighting over which race of beings is best. But there are policemen at every football game, for just this reason, and in some instances it was fortunate they were there. If you take it to extremes and use for instance soccer, there are no limits. There have been deaths due to one team winning and another losing, not to mention my favorite incident, the auto goal that resulted in an assassination of the athlete who committed it.

[flaninacupboard]

DS9 was pointless. They were on a space station near a wormhole. They did not go anywhere.

How wrong can one man be?

B5 was better though, they went all sorts of places, had two galactic wars, overthrew the government on earth and even travelled through time. top notch stuff!

Cardboard trek = two thumbs up
TNG = two thumbs up
DS9 = one thumb up
VGER = one up, one down (that whiny kes character pissed me off)
enterprise = can suck my balls. i keep hoping, DESPERATLEY hoping, that any moment Al will appear and tell him that Ziggy worked out what he needs to do. The technology is too good, and.... it's just all wrong. a series following zephram cochrane would have been better - established character and some actual pioneering spirit. we could have first trip to mars, first trip to alpha centauri, etc. or, show us the enterprise B, we've seen it, i think we've even seen her captain. revisit the places kirk had been and show us some more proper adventures.

enterprise blows. as does it's intro music.

[gitreel]

DS9 was pointless. They were on a space station near a wormhole. They did not go anywhere.

How wrong can one man be?

B5 was better though, they went all sorts of places, had two galactic wars, overthrew the government on earth and even travelled through time. top notch stuff!

Cardboard trek = two thumbs up
TNG = two thumbs up
DS9 = one thumb up
VGER = one up, one down (that whiny kes character pissed me off)
enterprise = can suck my balls. i keep hoping, DESPERATLEY hoping, that any moment Al will appear and tell him that Ziggy worked out what he needs to do. The technology is too good, and.... it's just all wrong. a series following zephram cochrane would have been better - established character and some actual pioneering spirit. we could have first trip to mars, first trip to alpha centauri, etc. or, show us the enterprise B, we've seen it, i think we've even seen her captain. revisit the places kirk had been and show us some more proper adventures.

enterprise blows. as does it's intro music.

The space station did not move. In the other series', they all revolved around space ships not space stations.

How hard is that to understand?

That is my reason for not liking it. That is not wrong. That is just my opinion. That is my story and I'm sticking to it.

[yoda313]

Hello,

enterprise blows. as does it's intro music.

DITTO!

They are both entertainment, plain and simple....If you take it to extremes and use for instance soccer, there are no limits. There have been deaths due to one team winning and another losing

Thanks for the help Tommyknocker! Trekkers are not VIOLENT! (well not that I've ever heard of).

Kevin

[flaninacupboard]

well, the station did move. it moved in the very first episode. and the characters moved around a lot. once they had the defiant and the gem'hdar ship they spent a lot of time away from the station.

[gitreel]

Ok, but my point is that the other series were set up with the space ship exploring new worlds and cultures not a station.

[flaninacupboard]

Afraid you lose that argument in my opinion. They are both entertainment, plain and simple. I have seen people come to work wearing their favorite team's logo. I never heard of trekkers fighting over which race of beings is best. But there are policemen at every football game, for just this reason, and in some instances it was fortunate they were there. If you take it to extremes and use for instance soccer, there are no limits. There have been deaths due to one team winning and another losing, not to mention my favorite incident, the auto goal that resulted in an assassination of the athlete who committed it.

I'm phyiscally shocked, i'm agreeing on a point made by tommy knocer

How about WWF/WWE/WWX(whatever that bag of shit is called) wrestling, that is scripted - thus just as imaginary as star trek. no-one gets the piss taken for wearing a t-shirt of their favourite wrestler, or going to a wrestling "convention".
People get defensive about "their" team. the stupidest is ******* Manchester united, people who don't even live in manchester, or even the UK say they are man U supporters.

[Doramius]

I doubt the sci fi thing is really dying, let alone for StarWars or StarTrek in any little bit. The sputters were ovbviously done because of much larger budget and anticipated films coming out around the same time. I do think that StarTrek can still get back to the original illudement of the Borg being earth creation (First Contact being a stong link) Voyager. I agree, an a** kicking of the Federation is in order with a follow up sequel to fight back. Using the people of the newer shows would be a great way to catch the action from different sections of the galaxy. Have a planet or 2 be assimilated or destroyed with a hint of many others that fell along the same state. I'm sure it will get a serious draw. The thought in the storyline alone practically writes itself.

Again, sci fi won't die, it'll just spread amongst many different areas. It's still pretty cool to see today.

[yoda313]

Hello,

Doramius - Yeah it'll survive. They just should have waited after Voyager was done before starting the next series.

Kevin

[Doramius]

What time period is Enterprise in? I never watched it. It's on at times when I'm not available. I caught part of one and I felt like it was between OST and TNG. But part of it made me think it layed among the time period of DS9 & Voyager.

[Reaper88]

Enterprise is pre TOS.

[northcat_8]

Afraid you lose that argument in my opinion. They are both entertainment, plain and simple. I have seen people come to work wearing their favorite team's logo. I never heard of trekkers fighting over which race of beings is best. But there are policemen at every football game, for just this reason, and in some instances it was fortunate they were there. If you take it to extremes and use for instance soccer, there are no limits. There have been deaths due to one team winning and another losing, not to mention my favorite incident, the auto goal that resulted in an assassination of the athlete who committed it.

Never said they weren't entertaining but when entertainment crosses over to obsession...with anything...that's just plain weird. Favorite team's logo, or jersey, hell even a star trek shirt every once in a while is fine....BUT, continuously quoting star trek or star wars, learning to speak in elvish dialect and all that other BS....give me a break....that's Nerd to the Nth power. That goes for anything...my cousin is a huge elvis fan. Her walls are adorn with velvet elvis posters, she has every concert T-shirt she ever went to, she has pictures when she toured graceland, etc, etc...I know some guys who wear their favorite pro team jersey everyday, they have license plates, they have posters, flags, sometimes full uniforms....get a freakin life, the NY Jets are not going to call your sorry ass to play left guard this Sunday.

The only reason you have so many riots at sokker games is because it is freakin boring that the fans need to have something to do to pass the time. I believe psychologists call it "stir crazy".

<and yea, I know how it is spelled correctly, I just said it to fire up the cross ponders> and besides the entire arguement was just to fire up yoda...so back off tommyknocker, you are spoiling my fun

[gastorgrab]

i keep hoping, DESPERATLEY hoping, that any moment Al will appear and tell him that Ziggy worked out what he needs to do.

If you were paying attention, Dean Stockwell (Al) DID make and appearance.

[ViRaL1]

ST N SW SUXORS.. M4TR1X PWNS U ALL!!!

[Tommyknocker]

Afraid you lose that argument in my opinion. They are both entertainment, plain and simple. I have seen people come to work wearing their favorite team's logo. I never heard of trekkers fighting over which race of beings is best. But there are policemen at every football game, for just this reason, and in some instances it was fortunate they were there. If you take it to extremes and use for instance soccer, there are no limits. There have been deaths due to one team winning and another losing, not to mention my favorite incident, the auto goal that resulted in an assassination of the athlete who committed it.

Never said they weren't entertaining but when entertainment crosses over to obsession...with anything...that's just plain weird. Favorite team's logo, or jersey, hell even a star trek shirt every once in a while is fine....BUT, continuously quoting star trek or star wars, learning to speak in elvish dialect and all that other BS....give me a break....that's Nerd to the Nth power. That goes for anything...my cousin is a huge elvis fan. Her walls are adorn with velvet elvis posters, she has every concert T-shirt she ever went to, she has pictures when she toured graceland, etc, etc...I know some guys who wear their favorite pro team jersey everyday, they have license plates, they have posters, flags, sometimes full uniforms....get a freakin life, the NY Jets are not going to call your sorry ass to play left guard this Sunday.

The only reason you have so many riots at sokker games is because it is freakin boring that the fans need to have something to do to pass the time. I believe psychologists call it "stir crazy".

<and yea, I know how it is spelled correctly, I just said it to fire up the cross ponders> and besides the entire arguement was just to fire up yoda...so back off tommyknocker, you are spoiling my fun

Continuously quoting from a genre? Oh Teacher that's the biggest Claymore I've ever seen anyone step on. I never saw a trekker teach their children to play Star Trek, so they may have a shot at the National Star Trek League. I never saw a Star Trek team in virtually every public school in the Nation. I never heard the phrase, "be like Mr Spock". I never saw Star Trek gobble up the National/International headlines every freakin' January. I know you are only tryin' to get at Yoda313's goat, so to speak, but I think he gets even more wired when I egg him on. So, Master Yoda313, you go, boy!!!

[Faustus]

I actually liked DS9 quite a bit near the end. I've not really been able to get into anything since. Series to bring them back? Sure its been said, big giant NASTY War, Semi-episodic. BOOM they are back.

[Tommyknocker]

I actually liked DS9 quite a bit near the end. I've not really been able to get into anything since. Series to bring them back? Sure its been said, big giant NASTY War, Semi-episodic. BOOM they are back.

I really liked the Voyager near the end. The last episode was a killer. I still would have loved to see how the crew reintergrated or tried to reintergrate back into the Federation/Star Fleet.

[vitualis]

All Star Trek series get better in the latter seasons...

TNG was mostly crap in the first and second seasons with some gems sprinkled in between. Basically, the dynamics between the characters hadn't established itself yet and nor had the general "history arc" of the time frame. TNG from season 3 onwards is awesome, and IMHO, seasons 5, 6 and 7 contain some of the best Star Trek ever. It helps that they actually had some good actors in TNG (i.e., Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner).

DS9 -- I personally think that this series probably started off the best compared to the other series... but because it IS located just in one spot, the story lines do get a little bit boring. And frankly, the characters aren't too interesting and the actors aren't that good. DS9 probably does have the best "story arc" though with the Dominion War, but I don't think that the characters/actors were able to pull in through.

Voyager -- basically like TNG but with weaker characters. What can I say ... the characters are BORING. e.g., Harry Kim -- why does he exist? And Kes is just damn annoying. The series gets MUCH better when Kes leaves and 7 of 9 joins. The problem with the series is that 7 of 9 and the Doctor are the most interesting characters AND are the best actors but neither of them are really the main characters.

Enterprise? I can't bring up sufficient interest to sit through an entire episode. CRAP. The series could at least integrate itself with the established Star Trek timeline. Neither the ship or the crew look like they are from the pre-Kirk period.

Star Trek needs a hiatus. Enterprise should be killed. It should just live in movies for a while... perhaps VOY/DS9 type storylines rather than TNG. I think that the TNG potential for movies died when they killed off Data in Nemesis. WHY??? Having yet ANOTHER "Soong-type" android conveniently floating around just doesn't make sense.

Regards.

[northcat_8]

I never saw a trekker teach their children to play Star Trek, so they may have a shot at the National Star Trek League. I never saw a Star Trek team in virtually every public school in the Nation. I never heard the phrase, "be like Mr Spock". I never saw Star Trek gobble up the National/International headlines every freakin' January.

That's because none of the "trekkies" <which is the proper spelling> have kids. They are too busy being "cool" at their conventions and hanging out at the local trekkie hub. For goodness sake, you have to find a female to reproduce with before you can teach YOUR kids anything. Going where no man has gone before, should be "going where no trekkie has gone before" and the answer would be "between a woman's legs".

I know you are only tryin' to get at Yoda313's goat, so to speak, but I think he gets even more wired when I egg him on. So, Master Yoda313, you go, boy!!!

I know what I wrote in the small text at the bottom of the post, and I know what wording I used. Now maybe I said it like that because I really wanted you to back off, or maybe I worded it like that because I know you Tommyknocker, and knew you wouldn't be able to resist responding....I'll let you think about that.

Oh and Tommyknocker....dude, get some black friends but don't say "you go, boy" around them...unless you are female...if you are male that just sounds gay and they will beat your ass for it.

[yoda313]

Hello,

Northcat - Drop it, please.

Kevin



---we are who we are and not much will change that, certainly not writing in an offtopic forum. I like who I am so that's all that matters. If other people write back and like talking about Sci Fi more power to them.---

[VCDHunter]

Jesus wept, what a bunch of ******* nerds. :P

[yoda313]

Jesus wept, what a bunch of ******* nerds. :P

Hello,

And darn proud of it!!! :P :P

Kevin

[SatStorm]

Babylon 5 for ever! Star Trek is only for ealry teenagers!!!!

Vorlon SatStorm




Really now, STos ok, STng ok. DS9 is a B5 Spin off but some like it so let's say it's OK.
Voyager ... well... Only the "doctor" episodes are good (IMHO).
Enterprise: BS. Ultra BS. Super mega BS. Crappy BS. Need to say more? Especially those intro credits, which when you are not American you simply hate. Reminds me that Malboro man of the 70s. FO. BS.
And it has to be P.C.
BS. BS. BS.

To be fair, the SciFi gentre has problems nowdays. Point me one good SciFi show today, the classic way (space, etc).
I believe people back in the 60s and 70s used the SciFi gentre to talk things they couldn't any other way. That was the reason SciFi was interest back then. Not the "future technology".

Only Babylon 5 bring new topics to the SciFi gentre. Combined elements from DrWho to StarTrek Original Series and from Blake 7 to Starwars!

Babylon 5 is the model for the gentre to adapt. Unfortunatelly, or the crowed is stupid and don't like this model, or the big ones decided that we are stupid and we won't like that model anyway...
I hope that gonna change.

[yoda313]

Babylon 5 for ever! Star Trek is only for ealry teens!!!!

Vorlon SatStorm

Hello,

Babylon 5??? Was that a show??? OH yeah... Wasn't that the one with Bruce Boxlitner???

Kevin

[SatStorm]

I don't care who was staring...
I cared about the story I was watching.
And the action was so much fast, I didn't have the time to realise who was starring.

Each episode of B5 could be a season's story for Enterprise!

[yoda313]

Hello,

Satstorm - Weren't they one of the first to use all digital effects?? The show was different.

Kevin