Fake TY

[HyperYagami]

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/10445

[indolikaa]

It was only a matter of time.

[onewaypockets]

Is there any chance the ones I buy from Rima for .72c each are fake?

[indolikaa]

Is there any chance the ones I buy from Rima for .72c each are fake?

Hmmm...

That's lower than I'm used to, but still about double over some other brands. I'm used to paying 2X for Taiyo over other brands, so that's probably about right.

[888888]

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/10445

Wow, that really sucks. Doesn't sound like RIMA media is affected though.

[NiteLite]

Rima TY's, a couple months ago, were .85 each per 100pk (shinny silver). They dropped 5 cents to .79 - then a week or so ago to .75 and now to .72.
While not a hugh drop it looks about right in a competitive market.
They still read and burn the same so maybe Rima is more selective with their buying. (?) Hope so...time to reorder.

Prices are for 4X...

[budz]

hmmms....i just received my 50 pack spindle TY Printable DVD-R 4x speed from Rima last week....now i'm wondering if i got fakes!
oops i tried to put up a image of TY G01 but i guess the images can't be loaded yet due to new server but theres the media code. is that a fake TY or not?

** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Media Code'-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
0000 : 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 52 00 02 86 0d 13 66 78 80 00 .@....R.....fx..
0010 : 03 54 59 47 30 31 00 00 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 .TYG01..........
0020 : 05 88 80 00 00 00 01 00 06 08 0f 11 87 78 80 00 .............x..
0030 : 07 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 08 05 16 0d 0f 0b 0b 00 ................
0040 : 09 97 08 0f 0b 00 00 00 0a 00 00 00 00 00 10 00 ................
0050 : 0b 05 1b 13 a8 89 65 00 0c b6 89 88 80 00 00 00 ......e.........
0060 : 0d 00 00 d0 00 00 00 00 00 00 e0 6c 00 00 00 00 ...........l....
0070 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0080 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0090 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00a0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00b0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00c0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00d0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00e0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00f0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

[HyperYagami]

0010 : 03 54 59 47 30 31 00 00 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 .TYG01..........
0020 : 05 88 80 00 00 00 01 00 06 08 0f 11 87 78 80 00 .............x..

if they're going to fake it of course the media code is faked too, so it's pointless.

probably the only way to tell are
1) unreasonably cheap
2) coaster city

[budz]

if they're going to fake it of course the media code is faked too, so it's pointless.

probably the only way to tell are
1) unreasonably cheap
2) coaster city

i haven't burned any coasters yet.....they weren't cheap i paid $55.00 for the spindle and $18.51 for shipping to hawaii....i don't call that cheap!

[jrsdsl]

The Taiyo Yuden 4x -R injek printables I just got from Rima while not producing any coasters have terrible Kprobe/Nero CDspeed scans. Don't know i these are fake but they don't burn well on either of three burners I have. YMMV

[budz]

Yikes did i get FAKE TAIYO? My scans are high too?

[lordsmurf]

That's news? I've known about this since June.

[onewaypockets]

I have been using these Taiyo Yuden discs with good results, no coasters.

But I have also been able to get an even better price on Japanese Maxell -R (MXL RG02). Are the scans of these Maxell discs as bad as the TY????

I paid .67c for the Japanese Maxells last week at Buy.com when they had a sale, and before that at Office Depot about the same.

Screw TY if they are not as good...I'll keep using the Maxells.

[HyperYagami]

That's news? I've known about this since June.

so how come you never mentioned it?

But I have also been able to get an even better price on Japanese Maxell -R (MXL RG02).

as well all know Maxell are sometime TY, maybe that's the best way to get real TY at the moment, or good quality media even if it's not TY.

[onewaypockets]

That's news? I've known about this since June.

so how come you never mentioned it?

But I have also been able to get an even better price on Japanese Maxell -R (MXL RG02).

as well all know Maxell are sometime TY, maybe that's the best way to get real TY at the moment, or good quality media even if it's not TY.

I was talking about kProbe scans of Maxell -R discs that have the MXL RG02 code. Do they have nearly as many defects as the kProbe scans above???

I was not talking about yellow Maxell discs that come up with TY code, but actually....that raises another question. For that matter, do the Yellow Maxell discs that come up with TY code have as many defects as the Rima.com TY discs??? What's up with these Rima discs??? Do the shiney top Rima TY discs have as many/more defects as the printable ones? Is Rima buying "seconds" from Taiyo?

[budz]

regarding that kprobe scan i posted.....that TY disc was burned with my plextor 708a drive and not by the liteon 411s@811s burner....dunno if that spindle i bought are actually FAKE TY....guess i be calling RIMA today....

[smearbrick1]

Wasn't this mentioned months ago in another forum topic?

[HyperYagami]

Wasn't this mentioned months ago in another forum topic?

oh...so maybe this is related to that "Matrix = TY" situation?

[lordsmurf]

That's news? I've known about this since June.

so how come you never mentioned it?

I have. Many times. It's been on nomorecoasters.com for quite a while as well. Since June. The TYG02 MATRIX media was some of the earlier ones I saw.

Fake doesn't necessarily mean bad. Just fake. Of course, usually it's bad. I never bother to test the fake media (not on purpose, anyway!). What's the point? It'll be canned as soon as it's discovered. As has been the case in the past (TDK, RITEK, MXL, etc).

[Gen-An]

Those single spikes can be ignored, guys. Look at the average of errors. Those are good burns.

[budz]

i called rima.com this morning and spoke with the manager. he told me to check the hub of the disc to see a serial number. i did check the hub and there is a serial number imprinted therefore it's not FAKE TY discs. he assured me that they purchase TAIYO YUDEN directly from the manufacturer. he is aware of forum sites posting about FAKE TAIYO YUDEN discs.

i ran dvdinfo pro where the media code is TYG01.

Media Information
Disc Regions are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
Media code/Manufacturer ID TYG01
Format Type UDF 1.02
Volume Name HIBOTAN_BAKUTO_HANAFUDA_SHOBU
Application id
Implementation id AHEAD Nero
Recording Date/Time (mm/dd/yyyy) 9/ 7/2004 3:10:45
Format Capacity 3.06GB(3.28GB)
Book Type DVD-R
Media Type DVD-R
Media Id Code Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.0x 2770KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 1.0x 1385KBps
Write Strategy Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
2x Speed OPC beta 08
2x Speed OPC power 0F
2x Write Strategy field 1 11 87 78 80
2x Write Strategy field 2 88 80 00 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta 05
4x Speed OPC power 16
4x Write Strategy field 1 0D 0F 0B 0B
4x Write Strategy field 2 97 08 0F 0B
4x Write Strategy field 3 00 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta multi-pulse 05
4x Speed OPC power multi-pulse 1B
4x Write Strategy field 4 13 A8 89 65
4x Write Strategy field 5 B6 89 88 80 00 00
4x Write Strategy field 6 00 00 D0 00 00
Data area starting sector 30000h
Data area end sector 18767Fh
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1

[lordsmurf]

HIBOTAN_BAKUTO_HANAFUDA_SHOBU

That's a mouthful.

[budz]

lordsmurf wrote:

HIBOTAN_BAKUTO_HANAFUDA_SHOBU

That's a mouthful

it's great old Yakuza movie!