Selecting field order in CCE 2.67 - HOW?

[SaSi]

With version 2.66, CCE had a check box to select Top field encoding in the Video settings form.

With version 2.67, this checkbox disappeared. A new parameter appeared - offset line - but it doesn't seem to be equivalent.

Was unable to make sense by reading the manual. No reference or information on field order exists for 2.67.

Does anyone know how to select this in version 2.67?

[erratic]

Offset line 1 if your video is lower field first.
Offset line 0 if your video is upper field first.

[SaSi]

Well, I kinda guessed similar values. I encoded and checked with restream and both encodes showed TFF.

I will try again - more carefully - and report back.

[BJ_M]

CCE will always show TFF , if source is BFF , CCE will offset the the first line (if you set offset correctly) ..

btw - canopus will also offset the first line - so it doesnt mater which way you have the target set to , as long as the source is set correctly ..

pal is often best to set to TFF anyway ...

[SaSi]

No luck, I'm afraid...

Encoded a small clip (that is BFF) using both 0 and 1. Both m2v files came out as TFF marked.

[BJ_M]

No luck, I'm afraid...

Encoded a small clip (that is BFF) using both 0 and 1. Both m2v files came out as TFF marked.

see my post above

[SaSi]

Well, it's strange but this doesn't work.

Encoding an AVI file with MC or Tmpgenc, the setting for field order is reflected in the encoded .m2v file as verified by Restream and DVDLab's mpeg browser.

Of course, setting the field order incorrectly results in flickering playback.

With CCE, no matter what value I give to the offset line parameter, both Restream and DVDLab show the resulting mpeg video to be TFF.

The resulting DVD playback on TV is unwatchable.

Changing the Field order flag of the mpeg file with restream corrects this.

Will have to investigate this further. Will try the older CCE version to find out what's wrong.

[erratic]

Well, like BJ_M wrote, CCE always creates MPEG-2 files with the TFF flag set. If you set offset line to 1, CCE shifts the video up by one line. Shifting the video up (or down) like that changes the field order of the source file. A few possibilities:

- If your source is TFF and you set offset line to 1 the field order will be changed to BFF but your MPEG-2 file will still be flagged as TFF. Jerky playback on a TV.

- If your source is TFF and you set offset line to 0 the field order will remain TFF and your MPEG-2 file will be flagged as TFF. Normal playback on a TV.

- If your source is BFF and you set offset line to 0 the field order will remain BFF but your MPEG-2 file will be flagged as TFF. Jerky playback on a TV.

- If your source is BFF and you set offset line to 1 the field order will be changed to TFF and your MPEG-2 file will be flagged as TFF. Normal playback on a TV.

[BJ_M]

you should set it to 0 also for progressive encoding , but remember to set the progressive flag also ....

[SaSi]

Woah!!!

Tried it with a value of 50. Video was shifted up by 50 (I didn't count) lines and what was cropped from the top appeared in the bottom.

Now, this is a nice way to handle field order. All video is generated as TFF this way.

Thanks guys. You really saved my day (and night sleep )

[erratic]

By the way, shifting the video up by 2 (or 50) lines doesn't change the field order. It has to be an odd number to change the field order.

[SaSi]

By the way, shifting the video up by 2 (or 50) lines doesn't change the field order. It has to be an odd number to change the field order.

Yes, I know. But isn't it nice to play around, once you discover a feature?

My only question is why did they bother implementing such a feature in the first place. Why would someone want to shift the frame by any number of lines?