joining 2 *.bin files is it possible ?

[dosie]

Hi,
Is it possible to join 2 *.bin files to become one larger one and is it then possible to make a svcd with the new larger file, as opposed to making 2 svcd's, any help would be a real help to me, and if ive broken any AUP rules , i apologise in advance!!
thanks
dosie.

[gitreel]

It depends on how long your parts are.

A svcd will only hold about 50 minutes of video.
A vcd will hold 80 minutes of video.

[dosie]

they are over 700 megs long, but am i wrong in thinking if they are compressed by a burning app like nero ets, that they would fit on one svcd yes? / no ?

[gitreel]

I am not talking about file size.

I am talking about movie length.

[gitreel]

they are over 700 megs long, but am i wrong in thinking if they are compressed by a burning app like nero ets, that they would fit on one svcd yes? / no ?

No

A svcd will only hold about 50 minutes of video.

If the movie is longer, then it will take a second svcd.

[VidGuy]

The length of the video does not determine whether it fits unless you qualify it with the quality, especially on an SVCD (a VCD is a constant 1150 bitrate or it's an XVCD instead), but SVCD can be any bitrate you want up to something like 2500 kbps.

I can always lower the bitrate to make it fit - then the only question is whether I would want to watch the result.

To answer your question - use VCDEasy or vcdgear to convert your bin to mpeg - use TMPGEnc to join the two videos - then you have to reencode the video to 1/2 the bitrate in order to make the 2 fit on 1 CD.

That's as good as it gets.

[gitreel]

The length of the video does not determine whether it fits unless you qualify it with the quality.

I completely disagree with you. Even if you lower the bitrate, you will still not get the whole movie on 1 disc. You have no clue what you are talking about.

SVCD
SVCD stands for 'Super VideoCD'. A SVCD is very similiar to a VCD, it has the capacity to hold about 35-60 minutes on 74/80 min CDs of very good quality full-motion MPEG-2 video along with up to 2 stereo audio tracks and also 4 selectable subtitles. A SVCD can be played on many standalone DVD Players and of course on all computers with a DVD-ROM or CD-ROM drive with the help of a software based decoder / player. SVCDHelp.com.

If you lower the bitrate too much, then it will no longer be a svcd.
A videocd holds about 80 minutes of video.

[VidGuy]

gitreel - feel free to disagree - doesn't matter to me, but it would be better if you didn't give people bad information. CDs are measure in Megabytes, not minutes. I've made SVCDs with 75 minutes on them by lowering the bitrate. If I can put 60 minutes on an "80 minute CD", I can put 120 minutes on the same CD by halving the bitrate.

Read your own quote - it says "35-60 minutes on 74/80 min CDs of very good quality full-motion MPEG-2 video along with up to 2 stereo audio tracks and also 4 selectable subtitles". And that's probably true. However, it doesn't say how many minutes of crappy video you can encode. I can do 120 minutes of really crappy quality if I want to.

Here's the technical specs (on this site, I might add) - note that it only specifies a MAX bitrate, not a MIN bitrate.

NTSC (NTSC Film)


Video:
max 2600 kbit/sec MPEG-2 (Audio + Video bitrate max bitrate is 2778 kbit/s).
480 x 480 pixels (CVD 352x480)
29,97 frames/second
23,976 frames/second with 3:2 pulldown (NTSC Film)
with up to 4 Selectable CVD or SVCD Subtitles

Audio:
44100 Hz
32 - 384 kbit/sec MPEG-1 Layer2 or MPEG2 Audio
with up to 2 Audio Tracks

Extra :
Menus and chapters.
Still pictures 704x480,352x240

(https://www.videohelp.com/svcd#tech)

[gitreel]

CDs are measure in Megabytes, not minutes.

You are wrong.

A cd will hold 700 megabytes or 80 minutes of data.

You are the one giving out incorrect info.
Next time look at the lable on the spindle.

I've made SVCDs with 75 minutes on them by lowering the bitrate

Then it is a nonstandard svcd.

I have been making vcd's and svcd's for about three years.

[gonzalimator]

The length of the video does not determine whether it fits unless you qualify it with the quality.

I completely disagree with you. Even if you lower the bitrate, you will still not get the whole movie on 1 disc. You have no clue what you are talking about.

SVCD
SVCD stands for 'Super VideoCD'. A SVCD is very similiar to a VCD, it has the capacity to hold about 35-60 minutes on 74/80 min CDs of very good quality full-motion MPEG-2 video along with up to 2 stereo audio tracks and also 4 selectable subtitles. A SVCD can be played on many standalone DVD Players and of course on all computers with a DVD-ROM or CD-ROM drive with the help of a software based decoder / player. SVCDHelp.com.

If you lower the bitrate too much, then it will no longer be a svcd.
A videocd holds about 80 minutes of video.

I think that Vidguy is talking about making an XSVCD and not a standard SVCD. Lowering the bitrate WILL work if dosie desperately wants the entire movie on one disk. Download the bitrate calculator from this site and calculate the bitrate for your project. It won't look very good, and there are problems on some players when playing mpeg2 files with ultra-low bitrates. I suggest making an XVCD instead. The low bitrates won't be a problem, and the lower resolution will result in better picture quality at low bitrates.

[haloblack]

I think it would be more accurate to say...

A cd will hold 700 megabytes of data or 80 minutes of audio.

...since a data cd and an audio cd are quite different things.

[cworks]

actually an svcd will hold 800mb
and i have the matrix on one disc in svcd format and it looks good
the audio is 96kbps can't remember what the average bitrate was set to for the video
it's 130 minutes and very watchable

Edit:
just checked the disc and the audio is 128 not 96
video is 480x576 @ 2520 kbps vbr

is there a tool to show the average and minimum kbps
the average bitrate is 1000 kbps or less very out of spec
1600 kbps is the minimum
but it plays fine in my player and who wants to follow the rules anyway

[Cobra]

dosie,

I may be wrong with this technique, but here's how I'd do it:

- Take your .BIN or .DAT files and run them through VCDGear to take them back to .MPG
- Use TMPGEnc Tools (File menu) to join the two together
- If this will not fit on a CD, use TMPGEnc to re-encode the video.
- Use VCDEasy to author your SVCD
- If you don't use VCDEasy to burn, feed the image produced into Nero or another burning program.

Here is a guide to re-encoding the video:

https://www.videohelp.com/tmpgencsvcd.htm

As long as you make sure the media is set to an 80 minute CD-R in TMPGEnc, and that TMPGEnc says the filesize is 98-99% of the disc capacity you should be fine. The resulting .MPG file will be larger than 700MB - this is due to the fact that VCDs and SVCDs do not use error protection and so don't use some of their capacity for it. This allows you to fit a larger file on them.

If anyone knows a simpler method, please suggest it.

Hope this helps,

Cobra

[VidGuy]

CDs are measure in Megabytes, not minutes.

You are wrong.

A cd will hold 700 megabytes or 80 minutes of data.

You are the one giving out incorrect info.
Next time look at the lable on the spindle.

I've made SVCDs with 75 minutes on them by lowering the bitrate

Then it is a nonstandard svcd.

I have been making vcd's and svcd's for about three years.

I've been making them for 10 - so what...

Who gives a rats ass about the label on the spindle - the label on the spinde of most CDs is talking about audio length of time (80 minutes of CD audio, not video). SVCDs do not have a minimum bitrate - so using a low bitrate does not make them an XSVCD - they're still an SVCD. VCDs do have a min bitrate (1150 kbps) - but they're a different beast.

By the way, what's "80 minutes of data"? Last time I checked data was measure in bytes or kilobytes or megabytes, not minutes. It's 80 minutes of audio CD data..... not video data, not computer data...

If you lower the bitrate too much, then it will no longer be a svcd.
A videocd holds about 80 minutes of video.

Show me in the spec where this is - I'd really like to see it - this is your opinion, nothing more. A "videocd" is referring to a VCD, not an SVCD.

[Martyn1980]

vidguy wrote:
I've made SVCDs with 75 minutes on them by lowering the bitrate


Then it is a nonstandard svcd.

I have been making vcd's and svcd's for about three years

Wrong, nowhere have i found does it state that there has to be a minimum bitrate for SVCD, the default settings of DVD2SVCD have the minimum of a VBR encode as 300, and most people have no problems.

What Min do you use when you use when you do SVCD's gitreel?

Oh, and found this in the Phillips SVCD specifications manual

"The Playing time per disc can vary from 35 minutes to more than 70 minutes depending on the average bitrate used ."

http://www.licensing.philips.com/information/cd/video/documents575.html

[jimmalenko]

To answer the original question first:

I am not aware of a method to physically join the bin files. I would think you would possibly need to extract the video from within the bin files first. Now if you want to get the entire movie onto 1 SVCD, you will need to re-encode to start with because the bitrates will be way to high for the movie to fit onto 1 CD. I would advise to re-encode both parts separately to the new specs, then let your authoring software join the files. This should bypass any possible sync issues.

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To end this ridiculous pissing contest once and for all:

VCD NTSC/NTSC Film
Video:
1150 kbit/sec MPEG-1
352 x 240 pixels
29,97 frames/second
23,976 frames/second NTSC Film

XVCD NTSC
Video:
any kbit/sec MPEG-1 both variable and constant bitrate
352 x 240 pixels
29,97 frames/second
(23,976 frames/second NTSC Film)

VCD is 1150kbps CBR video. period. Once you alter this bitrate, it is an XVCD.

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Now forget all about VCD. SVCD is not the same.
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SVCD NTSC:
Video:
max 2600 kbit/sec MPEG-2 (Audio + Video bitrate max bitrate is 2778 kbit/s).
480 x 480 pixels

XSVCD NTSC
Video:
any kbit/sec MPEG-2 both variable and constant bitrate
352 x 240 pixels
352 x 480 pixels
720 x 480 pixels
29,97 frames/second
(23,976 frames/second NTSC Film)

if you use 480 x 480, you can use any video bitrate you want up to 2600kbps and it is still a SVCD.

It only becomes an XSVCD when you use a resolution other than 480 X 480.